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Otta

Otta

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> what quids said

>

> You can't cry "mob justice" everytime a large

> number people see something and say "that's not

> on"

>

> No-one is picking on this guy - he is doing it to

> himself and has had repeated and escalating

> punishments already

>

> Imagine if Wayne Rooney or Stevie G did it, 3

> times over a number of years - do youthink they

> would play for their country again? I don't think

> so

>

> he should stop crying, accept the punishment, get

> treatment and stop surrounding himself with people

> who allow him to continue like this



Not disagreeing with that. It's the cries of "Disgrace" from intelligent people that get my back up.


When ot comes to football people suddenly become tabloid newspapers.

StraferJack

StraferJack

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no - no they don't


it's not because it's football (well not just that)


i can't think of any public arena where that would be tolerated - can you? Tyson was roundly condemned wasn't he?


What's tabloid about calling it out? It's unnaceptable behaviour - it couldn't be more straightforward


It's not related to football and it's not tabloid - so why are you saying they are?

maxxi

maxxi

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Still Suarez?


The phrase 'like a dog with a bone' comes to mind.


I am suspecting more chicanery than the dubious 'flap' to Ronaldo by the Ghana Goalie, I mean I get that some are outraged but beginning to wonder whether they had a bet on that Suarez WOULDN'T bite somone in Brazil and are fuming.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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Ooh, what about the lasers on the russian goalie last night?

I was pretty shocked, I've never seen that happen before; and poor sod was screaming at the ref about it just before he utterly fluffed that ball for the algerian equaliser.


Still, I'm glad Algeria got through for a bit of colour in the tournament, and just to make ENgland feel even smaller than it already should ;)

Jeremy

Jeremy

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The argument seems to go something like:


"What he did was unacceptable, but so are other things which sometimes happen in football"

"Why do you think biting someone is acceptable?"

"I didn't say it was"

"His behaviour was totally unacceptable"

"Yes I know"



And let's stop the Tyson analogy. Huge difference between this and biting part of someone's ear off, spitting it out, and leaving a man in agony and permanently disfigured. You might as well compare a slap in the face with a stamp on the head.

Tommy1000

Tommy1000

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In response to Miga, I would disagree that the punishment is 'massive'. I think it could, and should, have been a lot harsher. It is no use comparing it to stamping, for example, because this is the THIRD time Suarez is guilty of this offence. As has been mentioned before, with many of the other acts of violence it can be harder to see definite intent. Not a problem with biting, however.


Any talk of 'unprecedented' punishment is besides the point. The crime, and especially a third occurrence, is unprecedented. Frankly, if they're setting a precedent with a four month ban for what he has done for the third time, then I am disappointed that the precedent hasn't been set harshly enough.


I would agree that fouls intended to injure etc are just as bad and, provided it be established (to whatever the deemed standard of proof would be) that it was intentional (or, depending on the incident, perhaps even just reckless) the punishments for these should be much more severe. That's a different discussion though to whether or not Suarez's punishment is, on its merits, justified. If not 3, how many times does a player have to bite another player to receive a four month ban?


In the Premier League players pick up suspensions of increased length the more yellow cards they accumulate, so there is absolutely precedent in football for escalation of punishment. Many violent conduct offences in football have a degree of ambiguity surrounding them (was the injurious challenge malicious, for example?), but with Suarez there is no grey area. He is fortunate in all instances not to have faced / be facing criminal charges.

Otta

Otta

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StraferJack Wrote:

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> what quids said

>

> You can't cry "mob justice" everytime a large

> number people see something and say "that's not on"



I don't.


But they're not saying "that's not on" they're saying "it's a disgrace" which within the realms of football I find funny and tabloid. There are lots of things that are a real disgrace about football and FIFA. This is a stupid boy doing a stupid but not particularly dangerous thing which needs punishinge. But come on, BIGGER PICTURE!!!!



> No-one is picking on this guy - he is doing it to

> himself and has had repeated and escalating

> punishments already



No one said he's being bullied or picked on. There you go with that words in to mouths thing you do.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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applause for otta on fine last words on this topic (because you boys anren't sue and po... I mean DJKQ) excellent.


Soooo, no games tonight, will feel a bit odd, like scratching that missing leg.


And can't even fill the void with booze as have to get on a ferry and drive 300 miles at 6 in the morning!

Otta

Otta

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I just bumped in to my neighbour and asked how he was enjoying the WC.


He said "it was alright til we got knocked out. But it's been pretty good though, lots of goals. Seriously though if we'd qualified I think we'd have had a good chance".


I coukdw only smile encouragingly.

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