titch juicy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 A hipster is surely just a member of the most recent fashion tribe, no? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I've posted this before, but I rather liked it, an open letter to hipstershttp://potlatch.typepad.com/weblog/2011/03/an-open-letter-to-the-hipsters.htmlIf I were to tell you, my dear hipster, that you represent a post-liberal youth movement, you probably wouldn't have a clue what I meant. You have probably never met anyone who wasn't a liberal. You have scarcely heard of The Daily Mail, for which I envy you. Your idea of a conservative is someone who suggests you wear a bicycle helmet. Your boss doesn't even notice your tatoos, which must register as something of a shame. You are so liberal as to not even know it. So what is it you yearn for? What is your equivalent of the 1960s?Some have suggested it is the 1950s, which is maybe true to the point of adopting various Beat styles and poses. But really, I suggest, it is the post-punk period of circa 1977-84, the years between The Sex Pistols ripping up the rule book, and The Smiths piecing it back together again. And let me go one further, with a proposition that might (or might not) offend some of you: what you yearn for is the fulfillment of the promises of Thatcherism. What frustrates you about Britain (and, for your American progenitors, New York and California) in the early 21st century is the gap between the rhetoric and the reality of economic freedom. You have been seeking to renew economic liberalism, just as baggy and rave renewed social liberalism. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Apparently they shun the mainstream, so will wear things that aren't fashionable, thus making them instantly fashionable because as you say "being anti-fashion is so fashionable".It's like music when people won't listen to something because it's too mainstream, so they listen to "underground stuff" which if it's any good, gets popular and mainstream, at which point it shall be cast aside as a "sell out". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "underground stuff" which if it's any> good, gets popular and mainstreamfalse Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Okay far too sweeping a statement, of course not everything good ends up being picked up and has mainstream sucess, but the gist of what I'm saying remains the same. Some people won't listen to stuff simply because it's mainstream. They ignore the fact that sometimes stuff is popular and mainstream because it's really good. But it's all about being cool and listening to the "right" stuff. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I have to say I quite enjoyed the whole 'chap' thing when it kicked off, what, 10, 15 years ago? Drinking gin and being silly.It does become somewhat unnerving when it becomes a uniform to follow slavishly, i always found that sort of thing disturbing to be fair. The closest I've ever got to that is probably a penchant for over-sized wolly jumpers when i was 17, a useful cultural badge when attempting to drunkenly paw at cute goth girls down the local pub. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Carnell is also completely vindicated in sporting what might at first glance appear to be hipsterish cultural identifiers.He has of course been wearing them entirely free of irony since he could walk!!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 There's an older and more monied 'look' going on too, it's going on in the shadow of Hipsterisms bright light. But it's thereDaddy Rockabilly old motor bike/car driving vintage Hipster is my take Known to feature:Redwing bootsSelve edge & Japanese denimBeardsVintage work wearSupreme T'sNew English work wear, but old cutsBlue, Kahki, Olive, DenimHair/no hairTattoos (old and optional)SpecsOr is this just urbane arty/creative middle agers, flush with ?150 to splash on a pair of said jeans + ?250 on a pair of boots Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 El Pibe Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Carnell is also completely vindicated in sporting> what might at first glance appear to be hipsterish> cultural identifiers.> He has of course been wearing them entirely free> of irony since he could walk!!!Guilty m'lud. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Seabag Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> There's an older and more monied 'look' going on> too, it's going on in the shadow of Hipsterisms> bright light. But it's there> > Daddy Rockabilly old motor bike/car driving> vintage Hipster is my take > > Known to feature:> Redwing boots> Selve edge & Japanese denim> Beards> Vintage work wear> Supreme T's> New English work wear, but old cuts> Blue, Kahki, Olive, Denim> Hair/no hair> Tattoos (old and optional)> Specs> > > Or is this just urbane arty/creative middle agers,> flush with ?150 to splash on a pair of said jeans> + ?250 on a pair of bootsAh man....caught again (sans beard and tats).....I'm just going to live in a potato sack and be done with it.Heirloom organic potatoes obviously. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 How much you want for that Vintage sackI've a chair to upholster, by hand with my renovated tools, in my man shed, listening to my Roberts radio Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Is Withnail to blame for it all? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 El Pibe Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Carnell is also completely vindicated in sporting> what might at first glance appear to be hipsterish> cultural identifiers.> He has of course been wearing them entirely free> of irony since he could walk!!!Absolutely, but the difference is that Carnell doesn't look like he's playing dress up. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 There's a fine line between dressing and dressing up, I agree. That includes haircuts and beards etc. Sometimes I see a gent, usually older and near the city, dressed in the most immaculate tailored clothes. It's a great sight and the details are subtleBut add a cygnet ring and white cuff and collar on a coloured shirt, and were into spiv territoryI'm sure DC is a fine dresser indeed, not a cygnet ring in sight Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Too bloody right. Don't really have the finances for the Row so tends to be vintage - either tweedy-country stuff or American workwear.Trying hard not to cross the fine line into playing dress-up as Bertie Wooster during the week and a lumberjack from Wisconsin on weekends! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Lol DCThis might interest you. English Workwearhttp://www.universalworks.co.ukI've somehow got an image of you as a grown up version of the Hovis boy, on a bike. Am I close ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 You've no idea how close you are.If I tell you I ride this:http://www.velorbiscycles.co.uk/student-classic While wearing this:http://www.helt-pro.com/en/products/Detail/hunter-loden.html You being to get the idea. And while Universal Works stuff is ok, I prefer http://www.old-town.co.uk/products.htm for English workwear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 My god, where do you live ?I'm now seeing you as Windy Miller from Trumpton Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBen Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 This thread was done in 2011....http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,804059,804822#msg-804822One thing I do like about hipster style is that it's one of the most identifiable stylings of any tribe since heavy metal, punk and teddy boys. If it makes people talk then it's probably a good thing. We cant all be seen in John Lewis Gant sweaters and corduroy. Unless you're the proto-hipster Carnell of course.I broadly admire the micro-capitalist entrepreneurialism. You could argue the movement has single handedly regenerated the inner urban retail and food scene for the better. Agree there's a particular type who are annoying....but aren't we all to a certain extent? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWave Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Real hipsters reside in Williamsburg in Brooklyn and wouldn't be seen dead in ED....at a push they may head over the pond and hang in Dalston. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesfare Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Hasn't every generation since the enlightenment or whatever had their own version of hipsters? Pre-Raphaelites, flappers, beatniks, teddy boys, new romantics and so on. Some of the posters here are probably old enough to have lived through or been part of at least one of those sub-cultures or some other.Funny to see people on the ED turn their nose up at today's current crop of bearded, skinny jeans and art school "hipsters" - it's partly down to that class of young people that the values of your houses have shot up so quickly and that coffee shops, art house cinemas, spangly new eateries and the likes are popping up around here. On the other hand, that could be all the more reason to hate them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosieH Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Gore Vidal wrote in 1953 of the "Young men with beards wearing blue jeans and open red-checked shirts contrived to look more Iowa than Murger..."I suspect it's the contrivance that gets people's goats, but I can't help feeling it's kind of pathetic to rail against people half your age (or a third your age...!) on account of what they wear. You sound like my dad when I was 14 and he ridiculed my latest outfit from Afflecks Palace or when I put the Smiths on my record player. Get with it, daddy-o.Why are espadrilles more offensive to you than box fresh white trainers or nasty short sleeved shirts? There are tribes aplenty in London, and I find it utterly bemusing that art students raise more ire from the impeccably dressed style mavens of the forum than any other fashion gang. As I thought when I was 14, so I think now - if someone who clearly couldn't give a stuff about their own clothes thinks you're getting dressed wrong, (and what manner of projection is that?) you must be doing something right.And Otta - "apparently they...", "some people..."? For shame, man! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 At 14 is to be encouraged, at 24 its to be tolerated, in your 30s...seriously, grow up.It's the older ones that really annoy.I should add this is not specific to hipsters, a mopey goth who should know better will arch my eyebrows in the same manner Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Christ i still love the Smiths, but seriously if anyone my age is listening to them with heartfelt earnestness at the angst of it all, then they deserve a slap, or at least treatment on the NHS. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Rosie, yes, "apparently they". As in I haven't got a bloody clue what their "thing" is, so I looked it up.And basically what el pibe said, except I can't say as Ive ever LOVED The Smiths. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/43612-hipsters/page/3/#findComment-742625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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