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ernesto Wrote:

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>

> so whats the new paradigm I should be looking to

> steal into ?



The natural progression is 'Waisters' (sic) - the wearing of saggy clobber, the determined display of a pot-gut to prove craft-beer credentials and an unpredictable beard (shaved whenever you can be arsed) coupled with one solitary retro piece (typically an enamel badge of a 1930s ice skater worn on the lapel) and a miserablist view of the world masking a gentle nature and desire to help old ladies and stroke cats.


No one said it would be easy.

Otta Wrote:

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> I would absolutely love to be in a state of mind

> to dance to the frog chorus. That sounds like a

> happy place to be.


I do it often. Largely in the confines of my own living room, but still. Dance more. It makes you happy.


So happy, in fact, that you might not mind other people's beards...

I'm with RosieH on the whole subject, Hispers or their ilk don't irk me


Infact I think the world has become a better nicer place with the addition of said "hipsters"


On the whole they're the least offensive people i've come across


Not seen many coffee shop showdowns, if any


Or a fixie bike clash

apropos of this tiresome conversation being a bit 20 fking 12, i'll just copy pasta this here and everyone can go home.


apols if pearoast.


----snippy----


?Hipster? is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else?s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.


It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.


Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you?ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).


You can?t define what ?that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle? actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That?s because you don?t use ?hipster? to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.


The twist, of course, is that if it weren?t for your own insecurities, nothing that a ?hipster? could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - ?Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I?m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!? - so you project those feelings.


Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, ?ironic? Them.


----snippy----


/thread

you know what, bluster and low level goading aside, and gentrification n shizzle blates, I dont have an issue with Hispters. I was down at the village grocer ( ex costcutter) at about 1AM on sunday morning and it was full of them - pissed, giggly , utterly leathered. No evidence of faecal defication in their wake. neither was there vandalism or shirts off pigeon chested violence - just student/ student wannabbes scrabbling enough change togetheer for a bottle of voddie.
  • 3 weeks later...

excellent, cheers Jah.

I stumbled upon TV Go Home as I pretended to work in the last months of restructuring at an investment bank, god, 15 years ago?!?!. I remember literally crying with laughter, struggling to breathe and people in the office thinking I'd lost the plot entirely.


great quote at the end too

"But we are all self-facilitating media nodes now, if only because we all hoot our opinions into the void of social media, vainly looking for affirmation."

I remember TVGoHome, similar experience to El Pibe. There was a Valentine's Day issue that was particularly poignant.


I realise I've unconsciously used a Shoreditch narrative to explain the mess that is my my so-called career. Hope no one notices.

I can't agree about Russell Brand. None of the people you mention has a messiah complex and constantly issues rambling tirades from an invisible moral high ground despite a track record of using a presenting job to inflict hard-core porn and bullying personal abuse on their listeners. You'd have to go back to the late sixties for a comparable figure, though right now I can't think of any who were quite so openly their own biggest admirer.

El Pibe Wrote:

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> oh for sure, the hippies with their ludicrous

> atavistic fashion, their production line

> individuality and their ability to elicit

> derisory, judgmental snorts.

> But at least it was earnest, if misguided, rather

> than a self-enclosed loop entirely composed of

> irony.



"Various Pets Alive and Dead" by Marina Lewycka (she of Ukranian tractor fame) gives a funny and probably largely accurate view of hippies.

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