Peckham Rye Station

[chattyman]

I think it's dangerous for the kids to play unsupervised near a busy train station where it's full of strangers and the occasional tramp. They are annoying when they run towards you but they don't seem to have ANY manners, and don't know how to apologise. I can't wait for the new exterior to be knocked down and re-built. Call me a middle-class snob, which I am, but with houses costing nearly ?1M off near-by Bellenden Road, I think a clean, coffee shop lined, and weave free station entrance isn't too much to ask. With the exception of Boots, there isn't one shop on Rye Lane I would use - pound shops fine, they're handy, but fruit and veg shops which looks as fresh as a dirty dustbin and butchers that look like they need to be shut down by environmental health, beggers and weave everywhere mean I am staying away until the arrival of Waitrose, M&S, nice cafe's and restaurants.

[Jeremy]

Now you're just making yourself look stupid.

[Louisa]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Louisa - you come across as incredibly judgemental

> (although I suspect this may just be part of your

> shtick). For someone who professes to dislike

> snobs, rudeness and prejudice, there is an

> incoherence in your posts.

Excuse me!? I am standing up for people forced into the road by crazy buggy pavement hoggers and you then call me the "INCREDIBLY rude judgmental" one with an "inconsistent" posting history. I was equally as forthright about the children blocking the path of busy workers getting off trains at PR station but you conveniently overlook that because I am concentrating on the ever so cherished arrogant yummies. I dislike anyone who feels they have a RIGHT to keep streets dirty or untidy, a RIGHT to block pavements, a RIGHT to attack someone else for having a different opinion to themselves. There is no inconsistency in my posts.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

Also a RIGHT to eat buckets of deep fried chicken on a bus! and guess what I don't even use a bus!

Louisa.

[chattyman]

The area is a shit hole, people have no manners or standards, I live in East Dulwich and need to use PR station for work, if I had children, I certainly wouldn't let them run around strangers near a filthy train entrance alley, it's 2014 and we're in South London, we should be watching our children like hawks. Similarly, if I ran a hairdressers, I wouldn't throw anything into the road. Would you? This is the argument ... THEY ARE!

[*Bob*]

Fair play - Louisa's right.

You only have to check the last seven years of posting history to see that she doesn't just concentrate on Yummies blocking pavements, Yummies filling cafes, Yummies stealing flowers, Yummies poor manners, Yummies driving cars, Yummies eating food, Yummies drawing breath, Yummies looking at me in a funny way.

No sirree - there's a whole load of other stuff there too. Somewhere..

[Earl Aelfheah]

The point is Louisa - your haven't talked about inconsiderate people, but have aimed fire at a particular group whom you've lazily stereotyped. If you changed the word 'yummies', or 'posh' (which you are using in a derogatory way) for 'pikeys' then perhaps you will see how rude, judgmental and down right silly your generalisations are.

[DulwichFox]

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Not getting involved with this one... :)

[James]

Ah yes, the poor middle classes! How they suffer for their artichokes.

There are bigger problems in the world. Some delusional people on here should get a grip.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm not sure anyone has claimed that the 'middle classes' need protecting. The point is you can't complain about snobbishness, prejudice and rudeness, whilst displaying all those characteristics yourself and expect not to be called on the inconsistency.

[James]

All I was complaining about was rudeness. And making the point that some people really ought to know better.

The fact that people have leapt to twist that into some kind of weird snobbishness says more about them than anoyone else.

[KidKruger]

"Bizarre (and sexist) 'man up' comment from KidKruger..."

James I was responding mainly to Louisa's oh-so-passive ("look what they did to me") phrasing about being 'forced' off the pavement by those baddy mummies. But seeing as you're agreeing with her then I apply it to you too, plus anyone else who's an adult complaining about a woman in a pram bullying them. I could sort of understand the complaint if it came from a child though.

I think 'man-up' is a general expression, just like mankind, manual labour, manhandle, Manny Pacquiao, mandible, Manchester United, etc. et al.

Louisa I'm not quite sure who you actually DO like, last week you were hating on the regular users / culture of Rye Lane being beneath your standards and now you hate posh people. Make your mind up please. I guess you could hate both but it doesn't leave much room for the love. Oh I get it, you like white people. Who are NOT posh, but working class.

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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>

> Louisa I'm not quite sure who you actually DO

> like, last week you were hating on the regular

> users / culture of Rye Lane being beneath your

> standards and now you hate posh people. Make your

> mind up please. I guess you could hate both but

> it doesn't leave much room for the love. Oh I get

> it, you like white people. Who are NOT posh, but

> working class.

KK before you do go down the route of accusing me of having a 'chip on my shoulder' (eg yummies and class) you may want to get that rather large one removed from yours. Just as you seem to bring every single comment of mine back to race in recent post history, whilst at the same time bizarrely accusing me of not liking anyone. Odd. And there was me getting a complex about relating class back to EVERY issue on here.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Louisa - you can see from the excerpt of mine which you pasted into your post, I am not saying you don't like anyone, Read it, it's right there in front of you.

[Louisa]

I don't HATE anyone. You dragged my dislike of Rye Lane back to race, when I made it clear that was NOT the case. You now suggest I only appear to like white working-class people, which again is NOT true. I like many people. I also dislike many people - from various backgrounds. My point on this particular thread is that posh people have been witnessed virtually ramming working class AND other POSH people into the road due to their arrogance. I'm not saying all posh people do this, but I have seen a disproportionate number doing it in the years I've contributed to this forum. I'm not saying working class people don't ram people off the pavement too, maybe they do, I've personally never been at the receiving end of it. If anyone else has please do share with us.

Louisa.

[*Bob*]

Yes come on everyone, who's been rammed off the pavement by a working class person? Put your hands up, don't be shy. Let's get some perspective on this.

Ladies & Gentlemen - put your hands together if you please. Let's hear it for The East Dulwich Forum: now it its seventh utterly silly year.

[Alex K]

Reading this thread has made me very happy. Incredulous, and happy.

[*Bob*]

Let me be the first to speak. I have the conch.

Yes - I WAS rammed off the pavement. By a fellow from the 'lower orders', if you please. Knocked me clear into the gutter he did, sending my air-freighted asparagus flying and lightly soiling my copy of The Guardian. I'd know him again in an instant, officer; roll-up (without a filter), cor blimey trousers, coal-stained eyebrows..

[EDLove]

drewd Wrote:

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> I use the buses every day, travelling between East

> Dulwich and central London. I think Chattyman's

> complaints about the eating and the litter on the

> bus, not to mention the oversized buggies they

> travel two stops, are totally reasonable and I

> empathise completely (even though this thread

> started by being about Peckham Rye Station).

>

> Complaining about the buggies is not the same

> thing as complaining about wheelchair users. There

> is a big difference. I have seen unpleasant

> situations where parents with buggies have had to

> be asked to make room for wheelchair users.

>

> And we don't have to accept noise and dirt and

> litter on buses as all part of the deal of living

> in a large, vibrant, diverse city. I have visited

> many large, diverse, vibrant cities and they

> don't have buses that are in the state that so

> many London buses are in. Having a tough life

> doesn't make it okay to use buses as your dumping

> ground which is something that happens more and

> more - especially on south London buses. Having a

> tough life doesn't make it okay to feed your kids

> McDonalds on the bus and leaving behind the

> rubbish instead of feeding them at home.

>

> We are too accepting of inconsiderate behaviour in

> public spaces in London. It doesn't make anyone

> that points this out an intolerant Daily Mail

> reader. People in other cities don't put up with

> what we put up with in London.

Totally agree with this. And it's not a class issue either - I would hope that people (no matter what their age, class, race), would try to be considerate of others. It does not become more acceptable to leave litter, barge past people, shout down your phone on a busy train, fail to say thank you when someone has opened the door for you etc just because your wage is lower/higher or because you are from a certain background. I think we're far too willing to keep quiet and/or make excuses for certain behaviour which, actually, is making someone else's life less pleasant.

Whilst I can appreciate that London is a big city with a lot of hustle and bustle etc etc, when I first moved here a few years ago, I was incredibly taken aback at the rudeness and lack of consideration shown by so may people (from all walks of life) on a daily basis. I don't think it's right to excuse this as being the inevitable result of living in a city; it's the result of too many people getting away with it.

On a separate note, it is becoming increasingly annoying that certain individuals feel that it is ok to make sweeping, negative generalisations about the 'middle-class', people with posh accents, people who can afford to buy in East Dulwich.

Out of interest, how are these classes being defined? Income? Family background? Accent? Value of house?

[Ron70]

EDLove wrote:

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> On a separate note, it is becoming increasingly

> annoying that certain individuals feel that it is

> ok to make sweeping, negative generalisations

> about the 'middle-class', people with posh

> accents, people who can afford to buy in East

> Dulwich.

>

So, only people with a posh accent can afford to buy in East Dulwich? S#@t, I didn't realise that, looks like I may have brought a house under false pretenses...

[????]

Er, there is a comma there Ron

[Louisa]

Classes are defined by the transformation an area undergoes when people of a certain class move in. The death of shops worth visiting- random pointless overpriced gift shops popping up all over the gaff. Wealthy people turning pubs into gastro eateries no one wants to go to because they have no atmosphere. The death of community- because said posh people don't wish to integrate they wish to transform into something they want and feel comfortable with. It's about all the things you hinted at Ron70.

Louisa.

[????]

James Wrote:

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> Got to be honest, I find the smug middle-class

> mummies of Lordship Lane with their sharp-elbowed

> sense of entitlement far more annoying. Like for

> example their habit of unloading their offspring

> out of a 4x4 into the middle of the road (why not

> the pavement side, FFS!!!?) It all smacks of "I'm

> far too important and my time is too precious to

> give way to anyone else for a second."

And all good old James was doing was complaining about rudeness.......

Lol

[Nigello]

There's a ragbag of comments and attitudes about a variety of subjects on this thread; as regards civility and cleanliness etc on and around public transport, let me say this: I spent two months in NYC (based in Brooklyn Heights) recently and have to say that, despite the handed-down lore of the Big Apple being hard-nosed and hard-bitten, London (and the UK in general) takes the cake.

The Subway was cleaner and more civilised than the Tube. No-one was eating or drinking, meaning they actually took notice of the signs showing passengers that it was against the rules. Free sheets were read and taken with them: none of that new, reflexive "behind the head and onto the ledge" shoulder move some Tube riders employ to get rid of the City AM/Metro/LES etc they've flicked through. People said "please", "thank you" and "no problem" often and in full voice, not as if they were embarrassed to be seen and heard being civil to a fellow human being.

Here in London I challenge people - of all ages, sizes, colours and backgrounds - when they drop peach stones, orange peel, chicken bones etc on the bus or at the stop and, so far, have only got Paddington Bear hard-stares back. I get the impression that people's narcissism is as ramped up as much as their anger is suppressed - not a healthy state for either the individual or the society to which s/he belongs.

[Ron70]

???? Wrote:

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> Er, there is a comma there Ron

Ahh you're right, quite happy to admit when I'm wrong, apologies I'm obviously desperate to defend my working classness (I intentionally made that word up before anyone pounces) 😬