Rye Lane

[Louisa]

Here we go again. Pick on Louisa for having an opinion. I knew it wouldn't take long. Another poster raised a valid question regarding Rye Lane, I had an opinion on that, and I get branded all sorts of unsavoury things. Picked on for suggesting Rye Lane is a utopia? This is exactly how world wars start SJ, people not being allowed to have a voice. As I stated 'Louisaism' and an extreme form at that. I ignore positive posts because I do not wish to be seen as a martyr, but if I must ride to Coventry naked on horse back to ensure working class voices are not silenced then so be it.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

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[Louisa]

Speak for yourself.

Louisa.

[PokerTime]

Can I be forgiven for asking 'what just happened here?'

[KidKruger]

I really hope that locals near Southall and Wembley are not also hoping to culturally-cleanse those areas.

For me, Rye Lane is an example of the benefit of a cross-cultural city. If you don't see it, because its not "the way WE do things around here", then you're missing out - but don't spoil it for those who use it as part of their day-to-day life !

[Annette Curtain]

Louisa Wrote:

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I do not wish to be seen as a martyr, but

> if I must ride to Coventry naked on horse back

I'd pay to see that, but surely it'd be 'shanks pony' no ?

[DulwichFox]

Louisa Wrote:

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What about 'Louisaism' that appears alive and well on this forum.

Louisa.

..and Foxism

You have to understand these pages are the Domain of small group of 'Mates' who join together

to belittle anyone who choses to oppose them.

Cyber bullies who won't say boo to a goose when you meet them face to face.

Using 'Jargon Generators' to compose strings of incomprehensible text that cannot be challenged.

Politicians use them.

Foxism seems to be dying out... as they find new people to insult..

Speak your mind. Ignore the insults. don't take the bait.

DulwichFox.

[KidKruger]

Fox, I don't recall any insults aimed at you on this thread.

[StraferJack]

fox - why do you always have to resort to this made up nonsense

People disagree with me plenty on here - but I don't resort to being a martyr or calling it "straferjack-ism"

if people make stuff up they get called on it - it's that simple. Away with your clique nonsense. Given that you seem friendly to my face in person and yet you spout stuff like this on here, who is the two-faced one?

[JohnL]

Not so sure

Words can denigrate some groups allowing others to feel secure in the real discrimination.

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I don't think calling well off white people

> "honkys" constitutes racism. Prejudice maybe. But

> no one is likely to suffer

>

> Racism to me means there is a victim at then end

> of the prejudice

[StraferJack]

look - KidKruger is a honky. I don't think he was denigrating anyone

[JohnL]

This is the question I have also - to any fresh food retailer

fish especially has to be same day - but what to do with the unsold items

anyone know ?

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> What really concerns me is the piles of blooded

> chicken.

> I feel it may well be that it does not all get

> sold by the end of the day.

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> Is it then sent to be destroyed ? or does it get

> stored back in a refrigerated compartment

> or even non-refrigerated compartment only to be

> put back on display the next day

> with more food added to the pile.?

>

> Who Knows. ??

>

> DulwichFox

[JohnL]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> look - KidKruger is a honky. I don't think he was

> denigrating anyone

Don't think so either to be honest - but some words can be (sort of general point).

[KidKruger]

JohnL - what I was doing is outlining my perception of what is happening on this thread - a bunch of stand-still posters who want to ignore the day-to-day use of a high street by it's established community but at same time 'improve' it according to their vague and inconsistent grudges.

The loaded comments about smells and the look of food and inferences to H&S breaches are just a "we are better than 'them' " monologue. Or are you really seriously saying that because you smelt fish as a child in Swansea and didn't like it, Rye Lane should change how it displays it's fish ?!?!

I'm hearing redneck comments on this thread and I'm calling it that. Foxy is that straight-up and honest enough for ya ?

[DulwichFox]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> fox - why do you always have to resort to this

> made up nonsense

> if people make stuff up they get called on it -

> it's that simple. Away with your clique nonsense.

Given that you seem friendly to my face in person

and yet you spout stuff like this on here, who is

the two-faced one?

How strange that your Vanity should make you feel I was referring to yourself. :)

I'm polite to everyone .. but not afraid to speak my mind when face to face.

I do seem to remember trying to discuss an issue with you in person.

Your words were. 'Not here, we are not on the Forum now.'

Well I will discus Most things (Not Religion) with anyone , anytime, anywhere.

DF

[mynamehere]

http://www.peckhamvision.org

This is what is happening right now on the ground politically on Rye lane and at Peckham Rye Station. So if you'd like to put your money where your virtual mouth is...

[JohnL]

I don't want to change whats there - doesn't bother me at all because I choose where I shop (and mostly it's boring Sainsburys).

I would like some coffee shops and a few others which are closer to home (I think planning permission already granted for one (don't know what) - and the Magnet shop below Co-operative house is now gone - would love a little Cafe there rather than an empty unit again). Ozzies is Okay, Gregs has a few seats :)

I think the argument is that this will put rents up and push others out (which is gentrification to many I think) ?

Night time in Peckham has been transformed by the Bussey building events IMHO - but not sure how this is viewed by most.

KidKruger Wrote:

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> JohnL - what I was doing is outlining my

> perception of what is happening on this thread - a

> bunch of stand-still posters who want to ignore

> the day-to-day use of a high street by it's

> established community but at same time 'improve'

> it according to their vague and inconsistent

> grudges.

>

> The loaded comments about smells and the look of

> food and inferences to H&S breaches are just a "we

> are better than 'them' " monologue. Or are you

> really seriously saying that because you smelt

> fish as a child in Swansea and didn't like it, Rye

> Lane should change how it displays it's fish ?!?!

>

> I'm hearing redneck comments on this thread and

> I'm calling it that. Foxy is that straight-up and

> honest enough for ya ?

[Louisa]

There is a selective click on this forum, who when it suits accuse people like me of being secretly 'racist' because I hold a view about the ever so sacred Rye Lane. I've lived here all my life and I am entitled to an opinion about the streets I grew up on. KK terms like 'redneck' and 'honky' whether used in the general sense or to make a sarcastic point are still offensive and just drag an otherwise honest and open debate back down to the floor again. My comments about smells and the look of the place are not 'loaded' at all, and I see this whole thing as a way of attacking anyone who has an honest belief that a high street should accommodate the whole population and not leave some of us isolated and forced to travel miles out of our way to buy things. I want Rye Lane mixed use, above all else CLEAN streets which are hair and chicken bone free. No excuse for it.

Louisa.

[david_carnell]

There is a happy middle ground.

KK is right when he says that these shops serve the community and there is no need to be scared of them or seek to force them to leave.

However, Lou's gripes about cleanliness of some premises and of the street in general could certainly do with improving to make the place more friendly to shop.

It is a narrow lane. Shops spilling out onto the pavement with their wares makes navigating it even harder. A return to proper frontages or clear demarcations would surely be sensible. I don't think anyone can enjoy hair balls and chicken bones on the street. That isn't a plea to close those shops, but to the shops, their customers (!) and the council to try and ensure that litter is dealt with quickly.

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> a

> bunch of stand-still posters who want to ignore

> the day-to-day use of a high street by it's

> established community but at same time 'improve'

> it according to their vague and inconsistent

> grudges.

>

That's exactly the point. Why should I and others who I know be forced to ignore the day to day use of Rye Lane. I want to use it, I can't, it's in a poor condition and needs smart ending up with at least some of the shops I would use- and did when I was younger on that very street. I have no vague grudge KK please note that. I have a consistent grudge which I have sent numerous letters to the council about. This whole 'PeckhamVision' thing, I was hoping would remedy my concerns, but so far it seems to be aimed more at protecting the artists and creative communities rather than anyone else so will shall watch this space.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

By all means argue back and forth (as everyone is doing)

but when you spout rubbish like "What about 'Louisaism' that appears alive and well on this forum. " it undermines any argument you might be making

as for "There is a selective click on this forum, who when it suits accuse people like me of being secretly 'racist' because I hold a view about the ever so sacred Rye Lane."

name names

Also "selective"? Who selects them?

I don't disagree with everything you are saying about Rye Lane at all Louisa, but your paranoia is off the scale

[Louisa]

SJ, you know my opinions on certain things, I've aired them numerous times on this forum. Rye Lane is probably one of the main non-ED specific gripes I raise most often! My paranoia about said tongue in cheek "Louisaism" isn't just about me, it's about an attack on anything which is against the popular grain. Lots of people, including you, do not disagree with everything I say on here and yet somehow I feel as though I have to back down or vigourously defend myself against people because certain phrases pop-up which I would be accused of being "paranoid" or "chip-on-shoulder" about. We all are stakeholders in our local high streets, we are all entitled to opinions about them. I don't feel I am being paranoid when I see provocative phrases on here suggesting my whole ideology on the outcome of Rye Lane is about the removal of the current established community in some sort of 'ethnic cleanse'. It is not about that all, I shouldn't even have to go down this route to explain myself, everyone here (appears) fairly intelligent and reasonable to a point, can we not have this debate without digging out the lowest common denominator?

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

from reading the thread, I'm seiing (roughly) an even split between people who agree with you, and people who disagree with you

So that seem fairly ok to bat opinions back and forth without it requiring you to feel you are bing picked on or need to be defensive

that said, you are on the more strident end of regular posters so by definition people will gravitate to and argue with you. It seems you want to make strong forceful opinions, but when less than 100% people say "absolutely Louisa" you feel that those arguing against you are someone how ganging up on you. I just can't see that

There does seem to be something specific between you and KK on this thread - I don't know if he is part of some "clique" or not tho. There doesn't seem to be a huge swell to back some of his claims 100%

[LadyDeliah]

Rye Lane caters for mainly non-white or non-middle class customers. White and middle class ED residents don't like it.

So what?

Go somewhere else to shop then.

[Dopamine1979]

Stop being so logical LadyDeliah.

This thread is just getting warmed up.

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