Rye Lane

[JohnL]

I'm not us/them - plenty of room for both - I can think of a few empty units.

There was an open shop in Swansea selling fish I remember as a boy (MacFisheries - a chain ?)

- I didn't like the smell of that - so the fish smell for me is personal - even though I

like fish to eat.

I'd prefer to buy when I know it's been caught a few hours previous too (Billingsgate).

KidKruger Wrote:

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> It's up to environmental health to address hygiene

> concerns (which is the point of the comments about

> smells, right ?).

> If EH are happy with those shops, they stay open.

> A lot of these comments come across as very us /

> them, just because you don't like another

> culture's habits don't try and squash them into

> how you want it to be.

> Maybe if you bought the produce and cooked it and

> ate it you'd be more accepting ?

> Thousands of shoppers daily are managing for the

> two decades I've known about it !

>

> No, stop. Someone says it's smelly.

[KidKruger]

"I'd prefer to buy when I know it's been caught a few hours previous too (Billingsgate)"

In an ideal world I'm sure everyone would John.

[Huggers]

Re what Louisa was suggesting about Planners deliberately clearing communities, if you watched the amazing 6 part documentary The Secret History of Our Streets on telly last year, that is exactly what happened in Deptford. Whole viable old communities were cleared after being 'condemned' by a council that had development interests. http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/qyj4r/the-secret-history-of-our-streets--series-1---1-deptford-high-street

As comedian Hattie Hayridge used to say, architects who's drawings were rejected as cold clinical landscapes devoid of human warmth just resubmitted the drawings, but this time with some stick people and plant pots superimposed on the original.

[KidKruger]

yeah but that's irrelevant to Rye Lane now - as in, the discussion about the shops and retail premises on Rye Lane isn't going to change on account of demographic movements that happened 50+ years ago. The shops serve who's there/shopping there, now.

[alice]

http://www.scoresonthedoors.org.uk food hygiene ratings 1-5

random examples

se22 lordship

east dulwich deli scores 1

le chardon scores 3

se15 rye

christines meat shop scores 5

afro food centre scores 4

[KidKruger]

so... sweet sweet smelling LORDship lane is, in reality, a stinking fetid rancid cesspit !!

See, you can't go by smells alone.

[Louisa]

Just done a quick search of a few of the businesses I use. F.C Soper ranked 4/5 which I am more than happy with. Equally, I typed in "meat, fish, Peckham" into the search box and a few Rye Lane businesses selling fresh food came up. TWO out of TEN ranked 3/5, the rest ranked 0 to 2. Incidentally, Moxons received 5/5. So alice and KK, you can read whatever you want to into selective figures presumably NOT taken at random. But, the fact remains, just a quick general search of Rye Lane did not return a single business ranking 4 or 5. Try it yourself. Says it all as far as I'm concerned.

Louisa.

[alice]

put in rye lane and the first 20 businesses score a 5 the next 13 score a 4.

[Louisa]

I have alice. All chains. ASDA, Morrisons, Tesco Express, Iceland scored 5/5. Send me a link to these independent businesses.

Louisa.

[Barnesfan]

"But, the fact remains, just a quick general search of Rye Lane did not return a single business ranking 4 or 5. Try it yourself. Says it all as far as I'm concerned. "

Eh? There are loads of businesses on Rye Lane that score 4 or 5...

http://www.scoresonthedoors.org.uk/search.php?name=&address=rye+lane+&postcode=se15&distance=&search.x=48&search.y=18&gbt_id=0&award_score=&award_range=gt

[*Bob*]

I use the eyes & nose rating system.

Moxons = fresh as a daisy

Sopers = slightly fishy

Rye Lane = pretty fishy

You pays yer money / takes yer choice.

[alice]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I have alice. All chains. ASDA, Morrisons, Tesco

> Express, Iceland scored 5/5. Send me a link to

> these independent businesses.

>

> Louisa.

8 out of the 20 scoring 5 are independent businesses

i was naive to think that facts would make you review your thinking

[Louisa]

Just to clarify.

Rye Lane brings up SIX pages. The firt TWO pages bring up either chains OR other businesses not specialising in fresh food. The final TWO pages bring up mostly independent butchers and fishmongers- all around 0-2 in terms of ratings. But unlike some of you, I won't read too much into these figures because there is no explanation where they came from or in what ways they were measured so I will give those poorly ranked businesses the benefit of the doubt. However, the fact chains filled up the first two pages and fresh food indies filled up the final two pages is striking to me.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

yeah but forgetting the magic numbers for a minute, people ARE managing to survive after shopping on Rye Lane - agreed ?

If so, how DO they manage it, what with all the smells n stuff ? Maybe because of their backgrounds they're, you know, sort of immune to meat and fish which is going off ? ....and (the old favourite) that's probably why they put curry powder in their food, to hide the taste of the rotting meat ? Does that about cover it ?!

[*Bob*]

Totes agrees, KK.

Ultimately if they all have customers who are fed and happy for what they think is a fair price then whatevs, eh?

I don't see either SE22 or SE15 going down en masse with food poisoning.

The hygiene rating thing is largely boxticking cobblers anyway.

After all - you don't get downgraded for putting stuff past its best out for sale.

[Louisa]

Oh KK behave yourself. I clearly stated the ratings system was probably a load of unsubstantiated clap-trap, and you were the one who got oh so excited about it when alice posted it up.

Out of interest how do you know if people have become ill from eating from certain establishments down there or not? Where's the proof no one has been ill? I certainly wouldn't take my chances eating from some of those places based purely on sights and smells and nothing at all to do with any ratings systems.

Louisa.

[PokerTime]

Food hygeine ratings though (however they are measured) do not necessarily mean that an establishment is selling food that is more or less likely to be unsafe. Establishments that engage in unsafe practise, or are unsanitary are closed down by Environmental Officers. There is no grey area there. A business can for example be given a lower hygeine rating because it's records are not up to scratch. The EO will then advise on how that area can be improved. Similarly a business can be marked down for layout or lighting, things which don't actually impact on food that is prepared, cooked and stored in a correct and safe manner. Handling and storing the food itself in anything but a safe manner will get a business closed down, until it fixes those issues.

[PokerTime]

Louisa, all it would take is one complaint of food poisoning for an EO to investigate. If an establishment is selling unsafe food there would be many, not one who would become ill on any given day. There is just no evidence to back up your fears. Also if you were to laboratory test any chicken or fish product you buy from a supermarket before you cook it...you would find all kinds of bacteria. That's why cooking things properly is so important. It doesn't matter where you buy a chicken from. If you don't cook it properly, you will get ill.

[DulwichFox]

What really concerns me is the piles of blooded chicken.

I feel it may well be that it does not all get sold by the end of the day.

Is it then sent to be destroyed ? or does it get stored back in a refrigerated compartment

or even non-refrigerated compartment only to be put back on display the next day

with more food added to the pile.?

Who Knows. ??

DulwichFox

[PokerTime]

That's where regulation comes into force Mr Fox. An EO looks at storage and procedure. So a food establishment without adaquate overnight refrigeration and storage would not be granted a license to trade. I find the assumption that these small businesses are not operating within the legal guidelines unfair. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

As for 'blooded chicken'. Much of the meat on sale is Halal, which means it hasn't been mechanically bleached and then reinjected with colorant like the meat you find in supermarkets. Of course it will look different. But the process of sell by dates remains the same. Off meat will look and smell off. And like the issue of food poisoning above, it would be very hard for an establishment to get away with selling off meat for any length of time. They'd go out of business if nothing else.

And just edited to add that for me this is a really interesting discussion to have because most people have no idea how the food they buy is produced. Much of the chicken in supermarkets comes from disease ridden battery chicken farms (that's why they have to be bleach bathed after slaughter and plucking, to remove the bacteria from months of living in their own feaces). If most people were taken to one of those farms to see for themsleves how that chicken is produced, they'd never buy chicken from a supermarket again. Shiny and clean premises doesn't mean the food you are buying is healthy or clean either.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

"It will all change, sadly, so you'll get your wish in the next 5 - 10 years for sure.

A sterile honky-focused high st selling the same crap as every other high st."

Has casual racism become acceptable on the Forum, or is my irony-meter wonky?

[StraferJack]

I don't think calling well off white people "honkys" constitutes racism. Prejudice maybe. But no one is likely to suffer

Racism to me means there is a victim at then end of the prejudice

[Louisa]

What about 'Louisaism' that appears alive and well on this forum.

Louisa.

[StraferJack]

Stop being such a dick and people won't pick on you so much

Whenever people post "I love Louisa" posts you seem able to ignore them. Stop being such a martyr

[StraferJack]

Although to be fair, it's possible your tongue was in your cheek