Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Yes this has been in the pipeline for some time now. These matters just take time. Glad to see it progressing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I can assure you pressure groups, in particular this and the SE5 Forum, have had little if anything to do with it. This has been on the cards for some time. You can't really expect a few emails in the last six months prompted such a quick turnaround? Deluded. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 For the trust to put those properties up for auction took quite a lot of effort. I couldn't sell my home in six months - surely you can appreciate this was something on the table for years. I do appreciate you think sending a few emails is 'lobbying', but it is naive. Lobbying takes years, and many have 'lobbied' on this before. But it makes sense, and the trust knows that, and they've been working on trying to do it for a very long time. To applaud yourself and any lose confederation of people who sent the odd email is a bit over the top. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Hee Hee.. I think I know which house is yours now, Moz Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 No Alan. You seem to love causing online mischief but aren't so good at taking your own medicine. You are gloating about your efforts to 'lobby' on something when all you really did was send a few emails and post on a few sites. Something you excel at. Now you are taking credit having gleaned it's up for auction thanks to someone who does know what is going on. Hardly a victory for some well oiled community lobby. It is actually a victory for the trust who has been working on this for ages. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Any intelligent guess as to how much one will cost? I've got some TSB school savings to cash in.....Nero Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Yes a well oiled community group in Camberwell indeed Alan. Now that would be progress. Ha!Still, I'm glad the Trust has had great success with seeing their long-term plans to sell off the site come to fruition. Well done Maudsley. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I hear some medical consortium is looking at using it as a 100 hour a week pharmacy with needle exchange... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdonline Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I'm not sure I understand the arguments relating to property.I hope that the old days of selling everything off for short term gain are over. Selling off the Windsor Walk property were never going to be a long term solution of not having enough funding to keep the Maudsley's acute services open.Sadly, we are talking about some of the most vulnerable members in our community. They may be small in numbers being admitted, but I find it distressing that these people will have to join the queues at the A & E of King's. You don't see these people able to challenge these clinical decisions at the high court. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I think 'these people' have had the full force of community spirit behind them. The SLP hasn't covered much else. With such sun shining on the decision, I have to believe it is justifiable. The truth, as I understand it, is mentally ill individuals will have 24/7 access to emergency care. It may not be the same as before, but I don't think it means we'll see distressed individuals having to wait in long queues in a Victorian styled hospital with damp walls and flickering lights. I think the decision is defencable and sound. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-49976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 "I can assure you pressure groups, in particular this and the SE5 Forum, have had little if anything to do with it. This has been on the cards for some time. You can't really expect a few emails in the last six months prompted such a quick turnaround? Deluded."What's the source of your knowledge on the issue, and what's worked and hasn't worked in terms of influence, Mo? You give the impression of being very informed. Are you connected to the Maudsley, in some way? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 No but I know someone who is. This has been on the cards for some time. A trust owning old properties takes a hell of a lot of time to sort out and get to market. As for pressure groups, that's not brain science. There are no effectual pressure groups in Camberwell, save the Society and the ad hoc Baths Group. The SE5 Forum has accomplished zilch and is on life support. They certainly didn't do anything re: this project. Alan may have posted something there and a few folks emailed, but I know the Trust was grateful for the support of something long in the pipeline. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 "No but I know someone who is."Ah, really just hearsay then; particularly about who and what did or didn't influence decisions regarding Windsor Walk, either directly or indirectly, through the lobbying of officials, politicians or others.I'm not sure it's wise to make claims that people or groups have accomplished 'zilch' or have no influence, as mere mortals such as you, and probably most of the rest of us posting on this forum, can never really be in possession of all of the facts regarding that, unless you yourself are an insider and at the very top, which, of course, you've confirmed you are not. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I'm simply applauding the Maudsley, which has been working on this for quite some time. Surely anyone agrees such a sell by a Trust takes time. As for my assertions re: community groups, I stand by them. If you think they are poor assertions, then you'll agree Alan's leap that a handfull of folks sending random emails over the last months - then after a lull they see the place up for sale on a website (noted by someone else on another website apparently) - somehow means they won a long fought battle through massive lobbying. Perhaps we are both making shots in the dark. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 "I'm simply applauding the Maudsley, which has been working on this for quite some time."And I'm simply suggesting that you should do so without appearing to put down the efforts of others."Surely anyone agrees such a sell by a Trust takes time."It also took time for the properties to reach their current state of neglect and disrepair, under the stewardship of...?"As for my assertions re: community groups, I stand by them."Good for you Mo, the band on the Titanic played on regardless, as well."Perhaps we are both making shots in the dark."I think I suggested that. However, that doesn't mean that lobbying those people who are responsible for decision making is necessarily futile, by whatever means or by whom it is undertaken. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maurice Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Poor soul. You win dear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dale Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 removed Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/412-the-maudsley-nhs-finances-south-london-paper/page/2/#findComment-50086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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