Former ED police station fetches in excess of 5 million!

[LadyDeliah]

Foxy, there is no human right to exercise.

http://echr-online.com/

Maybe you could try reading a bit about the European Convention on Human Rights, as you are clearly interested in these things.

The thing about the state incarcerating prisoners (or anyone else for that matter), and not letting them out to exercise (walk around a bare yard) is that it is likely to be inhuman treatment. Banging a dog up in a room 24/7 is also frowned upon.

[DulwichFox]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> Foxy, there is no human right to exercise.

>

> http://echr-online.com/

>

> Maybe you could try reading a bit about the

> European Convention on Human Rights, as you are

> clearly interested in these things.

>

> The thing about the state incarcerating prisoners

> (or anyone else for that matter), and not letting

> them out to exercise (walk around a bare yard) is

> that it is likely to be inhuman treatment.

> Banging a dog up in a room 24/7 is also frowned

> upon.

LD..

Why do people here take everything so literal (taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration.)

They are throw away statements... Meant to be taken with some literary license.

IE. Every time I go out I get soaking wet. reply: I know what you mean. :)

Not actual fact.

I suppose it is difficult to understand the intention of the written word.

The same conversation spoken with vocal inflection would give more understanding of true intent.

DF

[LadyDeliah]

Snide remarks about prisoners' human rights, adding to already widely perceived misinformed stereotypes, is not my idea of a joke.

Being a justice and equality bore, I took it upon myself to counter your ignorant prejudice in a vain attempt to educate you and others of your ilk, as to the facts relating to Human Rights.

[DulwichFox]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> Snide remarks about prisoners' human rights,

> adding to already widely perceived misinformed

> stereotypes, is not my idea of a joke.

>

> Being a justice and equality bore, I took it upon

> myself to counter your ignorant prejudice in a

> vain attempt to educate you and others of your

> ilk, as to the facts relating to Human Rights.

What are you talking about. 'Snide remarks about prisoners' 'your ignorant prejudice'

Are you drunk. ??

I was stating 'Prisoners have rights.' I did not mention rightly or wrongly.

You said. 'Foxy, there is no human right to exercise.'

Well there should be. For prisoners AND children.

See you describe yourself on Twitter as.... "I'm an uncompromising, revolutionary, eco-warrior"

That would explain a lot. :)

DF

[LadyDeliah]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> No.. could not be a prison as lack of exercise

> space would be against Prisoners Human Rights..

> Kids do not have rights.. do they. ?

> Get my point. ?

>

> DF.

I got your point Foxy. Prisoner's are are given more priority than children. They have a human right to exercise, but children don't.

It was a point based on misconceived ideas about what human rights are and playing to ill-informed stereotypes of what the European Convention on Human Rights and the Human Rights Act mean.

As it happens, I think schools should have lots of space for children to run around and I don't beleive this site will provide that. But the priority in our privatised education system, is not the well-being of the chidlren, but the profit of the organisations who now sell education to local and national governments.

[DulwichFox]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

>

> ....

>

> > No.. could not be a prison as lack of exercise

> > space would be against Prisoners Human

> Rights..

> > Kids do not have rights.. do they. ?

> > Get my point. ?

> >

> > DF.

>

>

> I got your point Foxy. Prisoner's are are given

> more priority than children. They have a human

> right to exercise, but children don't.

>

> It was a point based on misconceived ideas about

> what human rights are and playing to ill-informed

> stereotypes of what the European Convention on

> Human Rights and the Human Rights Act mean.

>

>

> As it happens, I think schools should have lots of

> space for children to run around and I don't

> beleive this site will provide that. But the

> priority in our privatised education system, is

> not the well-being of the chidlren, but the profit

> of the organisations who now sell education to

> local and national governments.

So in essence we agree.. Not suitable.. and profit being put before well- being.

Human rights is a misconceived term. It can be open to abuse.

I'm not sure if people who abuse the rights of others are entitled to them themselves.

I would prefer to use Humane Rights The right for all people to be treated Humanely.

DF

[LadyDeliah]

From the European Convention on Human Rights:

Article 3 ? Prohibition of torture

No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Read the actual documents I posted above instead of swallowing tabloid hysteria and then tell me they are misconceived. I sepcialise in human rights law in an immigration context and see all kinds of bollox printed in the maintream media that is inaccurate and in some cases libelous about our clients, lawyers and Judges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25950599

Don't believe the hype.

[dds29]

I'm with you, Davey! Still waiting for an answer from James.

Meanwhile, take a look at the Anti Academies Alliance website, under Resources: Harris Federation- Spotlight on Sponsors. It makes interesting reading for anyone disturbed by the apparently unstoppable Harris.

[James Barber]

Hi dds29, Davey,

I havent spotted your question - I cant patrol the forum!

Harris Federation is a registered charity. If anyone has evidence of wrong doing please tell the Charity Commission. Posting things on anti academy websites if real evidence of wrong doing exists without going to the charity Commission is socially irresponsible.

[XIX]

Dulwichfox and Ladydeliah,

PLEASE do us all a favour and PM each other from now on (or start another thread somewhere else) if you would like to continue your mindless debate about each others posts or human rights etc etc. It is not related to the subject of this discussion thread.

[DulwichFox]

XIX Wrote:

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> Dulwichfox and Ladydeliah,

>

> PLEASE do us all a favour and PM each other from

> now on (or start another thread somewhere else) if

> you would like to continue your mindless debate

> about each others posts or human rights etc etc.

> It is not related to the subject of this

> discussion thread.

And you are ??? 4 posts ??

When you have been here a little longer, you will realise most Threads have a tendency to drift off topic.

Just as in normal conversation where one topic of conversation leads to another.

Have a nice day.

Foxy.

[Otta]

To be fair, I was thinking along the same lines as XIX, and I've posted a hell of a lot more than either of you, so there!

[DulwichFox]

Otta Wrote:

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> singalto Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Hw said he wants the ED police station turned

> into

> > a school which I find silly as I can't see how

> the

> > site can be big enough.

>

>

> That's exactly what I thought.

Interesting that long before foxy said he thought the site was unsuitable others had already said so..

and others agreed.. (See Above)

BUT as soon as Foxy said so.. then the abuse started...

My off topic comments came about from those comments of criticism aimed at me....

Once again people resorting to have a pop at Foxy.

DF..

[Ron70]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> XIX Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Dulwichfox and Ladydeliah,

> >

> > PLEASE do us all a favour and PM each other

> from

> > now on (or start another thread somewhere else)

> if

> > you would like to continue your mindless debate

> > about each others posts or human rights etc

> etc.

> > It is not related to the subject of this

> > discussion thread.

>

> And you are ??? 4 posts ??

>

> When you have been here a little longer, you will

> realise most Threads have a tendency to drift off

> topic.

> Just as in normal conversation where one topic of

> conversation leads to another.

>

> Have a nice day.

>

>

So just to be clear, the more posts you've made on this forum, the more relevant your posts are? Ron70 thinks this doesn't make sense!

Ron70 (not very many posts, therefore, clearly irrelevant)

[DulwichFox]

Ron70 Wrote:

> So just to be clear, the more posts you've made

> on this forum, the more relevant your posts are?

> Ron70 thinks this doesn't make sense!

>

> Ron70 (not very many posts, therefore, clearly

> irrelevant)

Nothing to do with relevance..

Was explaining to XIX that threads do have a tendency to drift off subject.

That was all. No need for another debate.

DF

[Otta]

Fox with a victim complex!

I, as you so kindly highlight, questioned whether there would be enough space, because looking at the building it's hard to picture how big the site really is. I have since been told that it's similar to Heber, in which case I'd say it's big enough.

Even if it is on the small side though, you basically suggested that it would be a breach of the children's human rights as they wouldn't have ample exercise space, as if they were on lockdown and unable to access other local facilities. That is why people jumped on your posts, because they were over the top.

Aaaaanyway, instead of talking about "foxy" as you call yourself (which is a bit odd by the way), lets just talk about the proposed school, and RELATED topics, as opposed to a debate on human rights, which has nothing to do with this thread. There is going off topic, and there is going WAAAAAY off topic.

[DulwichFox]

Otta Wrote:

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> Fox with a victim complex!

>

>>

> Even if it is on the small side though, you

> basically suggested that it would be a breach of

> the children's human rights as they wouldn't have

> ample exercise space, as if they were on lockdown

> and unable to access other local facilities. That

> is why people jumped on your posts, because they

> were over the top.

>

On the contrary .. That is not what I suggested.. I light heartedly suggested it could become a Prison.

and then suggested No. That would be considered against Prisoners Human Rights. Not children.

>

>

> Aaaaanyway, instead of talking about "foxy" as you

> call yourself (which is a bit odd by the way),

Why is that odd .. It's a reference to my username and what most people here call me..

DulwichFox

[Ron70]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Ron70 Wrote:

>

> > So just to be clear, the more posts you've

> made

> > on this forum, the more relevant your posts

> are?

> > Ron70 thinks this doesn't make sense!

> >

> > Ron70 (not very many posts, therefore, clearly

> > irrelevant)

>

> Nothing to do with relevance..

> Was explaining to XIX that threads do have a

> tendency to drift off subject.

> That was all. No need for another debate.

>

> DF

This will be my only comeback, the reason I feel the need to respond is that you seem very keen to attack others:

(And you are ??? 4 posts ??)

but then take offence when anyone questions anything you say? Referring to yourself in the third party is also a little strange..

[DulwichFox]

Third Party famous quotes..

?A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.? - Albert Einstein

If it was good enough for Einstein , it' good enough for me..

DulwichFox or Foxy is Not my actual name so can only be refered to in the Third Person.

When I reply or send PM's I use my real name and I.

People still refer to me as Foxy.

What can I do ? :)

Right that is the last I will post on the matter.

DulwichFox.

[LadyDeliah]

Hmmmm, I think I'll stay out of this one. Unless someone mentions human rights again :-)

[strae]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Yes LondonMix. Department of Health so painful

> (excuse the uninended pun) that we've had to find

> alternative sites.

> First permanent one found, just need to find

> second permanent site.

>

> Saying that I still hope the temporory Primary

> school site will be the Dulwich Hospital.

Thanks for the update James.

Against the realm of possible outcomes, the fact that this will become a school is great, all things considered.

[dds29]

James Barber Wrote:

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> Hi dds29, Davey,

> I havent spotted your question - I cant patrol the

> forum!

>

> Harris Federation is a registered charity. If

> anyone has evidence of wrong doing please tell the

> Charity Commission. Posting things on anti academy

> websites if real evidence of wrong doing exists

> without going to the charity Commission is

> socially irresponsible.

Oooh! Hit a nerve there did I James? Still unclear why Harris 'came up trumps.' Were there any other applicants?

[James Barber]

Hi dds29,

Apologies I thought I'd made it clear that I approached a number of school providers locally. The only one interested was Harris. Since then, it was two years ago, others are now interested in doing this sort of thing hence Belham.

Hence why Harris came up trumps.

[monica]

Have just read in Living South, that the "Dulwich Society made a submission to Southwark Council in December, to list the the 1970's building as an asset of Community value, under the localism act".

Nice one :)

[kimling]

so is it a school?