The death of a fox cub (Lounged)

[MadWorld74]

There is only one mad lady around here and tis I....apparantly I patronise, I get all unecessary, I'm sanctimonius, I'm conducting a behind the scenes whispering campaign AND I demand all sorts of sympathy.

Sounds pretty bonkers to me. Where's that chicken leg got to....

[HonaloochieB]

MadWorld74 Wrote:

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pretty bonkers me....

And we wouldn't have you any other way.

(Breaks into Barry White's version of Just The Way You Are)

[Michael Palaeologus]

So, lets start a ED Hunt. There are enough dogs around to form the pack, PGC has horse contacts and we could have our own pack of Antis' as an associate group - sort of "hate each other during the blood letting and then all down the pub for a beer afterwards", bit like rugby.

We could meet on Goose Green by the EDT for the traditional stirrup cup before hunting over the rolling green acres of Peckham Rye.

Local road names would seem to show that this is a historical tradition in this area and so is totally appropriate.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Only if I can be Mistress.

[JenSpen]

I'm sorry to hear what happened to you MadWorld - I am in tears now just at the other end of the computer!

[MadWorld74]

Please be careful JenSpen. I've been accused of 'eliciting sympathy' on this forum because of this posting. Whatever.

A lesson regarding posion has been learnt and I now want to make sure as many local residents are aware of the perils.

Thanks JS. (tu)

[yourmomma]

I read somewhere that the average lifespan of a city fox is only 1-2 years. So i wouldn't worry bout it that cub was a gonna anyway. They keep getting run over.

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

Only if I can be Mistress.

Whilst people from Peckham can follow the hunt on their stolen mountain bikes, we would prefer it they kept a reasonable distance away.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

How rude! Take six of this DPF

http://www.sportingcollection.com/whips/w361/whip361.JPG

[MadWorld74]

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote:

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> You sound incredibly bitter, if you don't mind me

> saying so

>

> Well, I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or

> cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out. If

> only I had a sad story involving me and a dying

> animal, maybe then people would like me, sniff.

>

> (Edit 16:30 - I admit I plagiarised a Bill Hicks

> quote. It was a wrong thing to do)

DPF....

I don't know who you are so I have no idea why you seem to have some personal beef with me? Are you insinuating that I came onto the forum with my 'sad little tale' of the poor, dying fox cub, to get tea and sympathy, so that people would,um...

'like me'?

I couldn't care less if people like me or not. Never have and never will. That was not the reasoning for the posting.

[SteveT]

Do you have a matching mask and thong to go with that whip mistress?

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

I don't know who you are so I have no idea why you seem to have some personal beef with me?

I haven't got a beef with you, infact you insulted me 3 times before I even remotely directed a post at you. Read through the thread again and tell me who has been slinging the vitriol about.

[MadWorld74]

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote:

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> Call me soft but I don't even like to think of a

> rat dying that way.

>

> If you've ever had rats, believe me you lie in bed

> praying that they die that way

>

> A few weeks ago a large number of crows were

> chasing a wounded seagull down our street. I

> couldn't watch as they bought it down further on,

> it broke my heart, but I also realised there was

> nothing I could do. You may be feeling guilty

> because it is your decking but it could have

> happened anywhere.

>

> Are these local gangs? Best not to get involved,

> even the young ones are carrying shivs and shanks,

> and sometimes even knives.

Your first posting on this thread, and it was sarcastic. Unecessary. As were a few other postings.

It all went on from there. Oh well. I won't rise to the bait (oh God) anymore.

[Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy]

Eh? None of them were aimed at you, and they were two seperate posts. The first comes from once living in a flat that had rats, and the second was a weak joke about gangs and street slang. I repeat, none of the comments were either directed at, or disparaging of, you. Just be big enough to admit you've had a few diva moments on this thread and we can all go home.

[shoshntosh]

calm down already peeps. seriously...

let's get to the heart of the matter. which isn't foxes, poison, bill hicks, rats, whips (though might be nice), or the "sport" of fox-hunting.

the issue, it seems to me, having just read this thread for the first time from start to finish, is about whether we are sympathetic to other people's tragedies -- WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE TRAGEDIES TO US. and whether we always need to go for the cheap gag, or counter-attack, when it's not reaaaallly necessary, is it? i know many people (especially tosh) want to engage in some way, and often the forum reads like a series of people trying to outdo each other with their wit and clever banter. fair enough. makes for great reading and sometimes even important debate. but when the chips are down and someone is writing from the heart about what was quite obviously a painful experience for them, could we not just then let our hearts lead? and if we've got a moral problem with it because it smacks of hypocrisry or whatever, can we not still be sensitive in how we deliver that news (if we feel utterly compelled to do so)? is it so bleeding necessary to bring out the worst in each other? and does this forum ALWAYS have to be funny??

bunch of anti-sentimentalists!!!

[SeanMacGabhann]

Interesting - for me the thread started about one thing but is now essentially about something else

Was: A very unpleasant experience was had, and I expressed sympathy

Is: That experience is days past but what is actually the problem seems to be "Foxes - they are great generally" - which is a seperate thing entirely. And one that many people disagree with. If you equate foxes with rats (as I do) then it's hard to understand why someone (anyone) would be so keen to kill one and protect another

Is that a "clever" or "attacking" thing to say? I don't think it is at all

[Michael Palaeologus]

"does this forum ALWAYS have to be funny??"

Well, mostly, yes. It is the wit and humour that makes the ED Forum different from other local Fora where debates are dominated by witless witterings about car parking, the state of the roads and school waiting lists.

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Come on, seriously, do either of these deserve saving?

[shoshntosh]

that is actually quite funny MP! (leave it to you to always make me chuckle)

if we are getting back to foxes... i am actually indifferent to them. apart from having felt an odd pang of jealousy

on one or two of the numerous times they have woken me in the night with their... erm, vigorous and vocal copulating.

by the way, i once literally saw a duck gang-raped by a group of other, larger ducks. it was actually really upsetting to witness, even though i don't care much about ducks. suffering is difficult to bear. whether it is the duck's, the fox's, MadWorld's, or the Administrator's...

[Keef]

Booooom Boooooooom!!!!!!!!! *Bang*

Neeeeerrrrrrrrrrr Rat Faaaans!!!! *class*

[Keef]

Pesky foxes thread

[Jimbob]

a duck getting gang raped.....,bet its quack was sore after that.

[Annasfield]

Keviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin :))

(I wasn't allowed to watch Roland Rat) :(

[bigbadwolf]

I've been following this thread and it seems to get even more bizzare and agressive by each post. I sympathise that seeing an animal wether it be cute or ugly in severe physical pain can be very distressing, especially when you feel helpless in relieving the pain. I work as a civil engineer and last year I was working in the Yukon territory in the Canadian wilderness building an electricity substation. During the construction we'd be occasionally be visited by the local Grissly bears of the area as they found it very interesting. Usually firing a shotgun or pistol into the air would get rid of them but the younger ones were alot more persistent as they thought the large excavators were especially exciting as they could tease it without the machine reacting. One afternoon in the site cabin we got a call over the radio to come to the hole they were digging for the foundations. Once we were within about a hundred yards we knew what had happened, the bellowing was deafening. Two young cubs/adolecents had been playing un-noticed by a 16 ton excavator and were being pestered by the mother to stop, the 2 cubs were crushed and died instantly. The mother wasn't so lucky. On hearing the comotion behind him the operator turned the machine around which crushed the mothers lower body pinning her under the machine, her lower body and hind legs were literally smashed under the massive weight. How she survived the intitial impact of the machines tracks I'll never know. We contacted the local authorities who told us what to do. We removed the machine which revealed the horrific extent of her injuries, just mushed bones and flesh but she was still bellowing and screaming in pain and had to be relieved of it. I placed a sack over her and shot her twice in the head with a high powered rifle. It was a great relief knowing her pain had stopped but I didn't feel emotional about it and didn't rush off to tell everyone about it on the internet because as they say, 'it's just one of those things'.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Well done, BBW - completely the right thing to do.

In the case of the fox and in lieu of a rifle, a swift club to the head might have been the less distressing option for it.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

bigbadwolf Wrote:

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> I've been following this thread ...I didn't rush off to tell everyone about it on the

> internet because as they say, 'it's just one of

> those things'.

.........Just a doggone moment.Of course you did exactly the right thing in the circumstance you describe but why the unnecessary sniping at MadWorld? She showed she has a big heart and cared,she wrote it in the aftermath of the event and if everyone had her caring nature the World would be a much more compassionate place, would it not?

You felt cold and no emotion about the correct thing you did but everyone is different.Some own Racing Greyhounds and put them to sleep as soon as they can no longer race even though they are healthy others try to find them a good home.Some can see a cat injured in the road and drive by without giving it a second thought,others pull over and help in any way they can.I know which category of people I prefer to be among.