Rico Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I'm a landlord. Just a little flat but a landlord. I do not allow smoking as part of the tenancy agreement. It ruins the furnishings and is a devil to get out if tenants change.I, along with all of you, also own massive Council Estate properties all over Southwark. I'd like to suggest that we, as landlords, ban smoking inside our properties.If those living there want to smoke than can a) go outside b) move to a rental where the landlord chooses to allow smoking.Sounds reasonable. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Bonkers. (polite version) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Health facist. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 What PGC & Jah said! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giggirl Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 You couldn't police it so what would be the point? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 We could also use the schools to brainwash their children into grassing them up to the thought police if they start getting ideas above their station or asking the wrong questions about the status quo. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giggirl Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 "If there is hope... it lies in the proles." Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonaloochieB Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I'd like to be the first to disagree with all of the people who have replied Rico.But I can't. First there was Rackmanism but now you've brought us right up to date with Rothmanism. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 You're effectively banning the poor from smoking inside their homes till they can afford to rent or buy privately.Bonkers indeed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Council flats are rented UNfurnished anyway..... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 Interesting bit about schools - should we allow smoking inside them? What's the difference? So perhaps all of you if landlords wouldn't have an issue with your renters smoking inside. Fair enough. But shouldn't we as collective owners of Council flats have a say?And if you argue they have few choices to afford living elsewhere - then great - think of the money they'll save not smoking and can more quickly get on their feet and move on. Isn't that the point of council housing: a short term fix to allow folks to get on their feet again and move on? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 david_carnell Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> You're effectively banning the poor from smoking> inside their homes till they can afford to rent or> buy privately.It will help them start saving-up. I love that way that a number of fag brands attempt to sound loosley associated with the blue-blooded classes (Rothmans, Superkings, Royals). The Proles must lap that sort-of thing up. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I propose that anyone who can?t afford to buy their own home should be visited nightly by a policeman just to make sure they are behaving themselves. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzyloz Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Rico, as a private landlord, do you have a clause in the lease insisting that your tenants refrain from sex beyond the bedrooms in case they stain the carpet, wallpaper or sofa? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Good point, Lozzy.And if sex was banned that would cut-down on the urge to smoke as well. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 No but if, for whatever reasons, they damage said property, they must pay to repair/clean it (if they didn't clean it themselves). Is that not reasonable?Are you all suggesting that landlords should not be able to stipulate whether smoking is allowed when drawing up a lease agreement? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Sex! Bloody hell I don?t think we should allow it at all.Not unsupervised anyway. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdonline Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Have a ciggie and chill out.I have one of those rental agreements that tells me I can't smoke. He also tells me that I responsible for the drains and lots of other things I couldn't give a hoot for. In my mind, as long as I open the windows, there's not really a problem. We are in a financial arrangement, he's not my lifestyle coach.Do you spend much time in Council properties? If people want to light up, scratch their arse or lots of other unmentionables. All in the comfort of their home, none of my business. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Rico Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> And if you argue they have few choices to afford> living elsewhere - then great - think of the money> they'll save not smoking and can more quickly get> on their feet and move on. Isn't that the point> of council housing: a short term fix to allow> folks to get on their feet again and move on?Mmm, and if only we banned them from drinking alcohol or even soft drinks as well and only let them have tap water, think how much that could save. Oh, and if they only ate lentils and pasta too. No fresh veg or meat - waste of money. Then they could gratefully join the rest of us in the delight that is the home-owning democracy. Hurrah! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Bagsy sex monitor.GigGirl, surely you meant:"If there is hope... it lies in the profiteroles" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 They don't have to buy a home. Renting is fine. But subsidised renting thanks to my Council tax means I should have a say...or maybe not. Silly. They can wreck the place and stay for generations (like that would ever happen). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonM Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 But if a would-be tenant does voluntarily sign a rental agreement which includes a no smoking clause then it is the landlord's business. If you don't like it then choose another flat. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giggirl Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Bagsy sex monitor.> > GigGirl, surely you meant:> > "If there is hope... it lies in the profiteroles"But PGC - these are proles with tenants extra and beer bellies and fags. You wanna watchem get jiggy with it? Surely not. They live in council houses and must be punished. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I'm happy for them to merrily smoke themselves to death if they live in a shithole in Mitcham with smashed windows and have to listen to drum and bass through poorly insulated walls all night. But I do get angry when I see them smoking away in council-owned properties which are in parts of London I can't afford to live in myself. That just doesn't seem right. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Rico Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> They don't have to buy a home. Renting is fine. > But subsidised renting thanks to my Council tax> means I should have a say...or maybe not. Silly. > They can wreck the place and stay for generations> (like that would ever happen).Yeah let?s get them out of council flats and into somewhere where they have no security of tenure and their money can be properly contributing to the second incomes of private landlords. *Bob* Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> But I do get angry when I see them smoking away in> council-owned properties which are in parts of> London I can't afford to live in myself. That just> doesn't seem right.I know what you mean. The people who clean the restaurants, and homes, cook the food and clean the streets in those areas should live at 30 miles away. Don?t know they?re born. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3965-ban-smoking-inside-council-owned-properties/#findComment-125172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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