Pathetic old racist fart on Frogley road (Lounged)

[coachkelly]

Take cycling (another sport ravaged by drugs cheats) There do not seem to be any black cyclists, but I think this is simply a cultural thing. Young black athletes are attracted to sprinting because many of their black role models are probably sprinters. It would probably only take one succesful black cyclist to encourage more young black kids to take up cycling. I wouldn't say there is a physical reason why a black person couldn't be a great cyclist.

[Shu.Kurimu.Sensei]

OP here, wow, what have I done? Um, sorry to have clogged the forum up like this...

Just to clarify things, I wasn't with the wife when it happened.

This time wasn't that bad in reflection. Certainly better than the time some woman shouted "Go home Yoko" and threw a stone at her in Golders Green (there were far worse occasions, but won't mention them here)...

I suppose a debate about racism has been bubbling for a while here, bit embarrassed my little attempt to let of steam was the catalyst, there are far more erudite members of the forum who could have done a better job ; )

Oh, before I forget *waves* at Woodie - how are you doing mate? Everything cool with the band?

It's an odd thing, racism/prejudice. For whatever reason, I have always fallen in with the non-white crowds in pretty much all of my jobs in life. That has led to some odd happenings, like going to parties where the people were always like 99% black, and having some (black) workmates comment "shit, look at that group of f*king n*****s - whats up with them?", and giving me and odd look while I try to figure out WTF? Also always found it odd how an awful lot of black mates would themselves be prejudiced over the skin tone of another black person, especially when choosing a dating / sexual partner. One example I remember was a (black) mate saying to another (black) mate words to the tune of "I know she's interested, but I ain't going out with a gorilla like that!". Again, WTF?

Racism has been for so long, and continues to be portrayed by the media as a white only problem in the UK. which of course, it isn't.

I lost count of the amount of times I'd be watching a Chinese film with a group of Chinese mates, when the bad guy turned out to be Japanese (funnily enough, a lot of these movies had the villain's race changed depending on the market, but I digress) and would be like shouting insults in English and Chinese at the screen. A fair few of them were well into Japanese popular culture, but at times would try and justify to their parents who complained about it, when asked like, why they were wearing what was fashionable in Japan last year, or why they were addicted to Japanese cartoons, some would say "shut up, this is Chinese!" or others would say something like "yeah I watch this shit and all, but I still hate the people!" I once pointed out to a close Chinese mate that kept going on about how the Japanese were all devils/bastards that the Chinese government had killed probably 2/3x more of its own people compared to Japan's war time aggression, but his father didn't like hearing that and I didn't see much of him after that.

When working at Heathrow as a translator, pretty much all of my mates there were "asian" well, mostly British born people who's family originated in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. The things the people called others of different religions was shocking a lot of the time. And I never figured out why a lot of them really seemed to hate the Chinese, Somalians or Polish working there. I remember a mate, who I thought was pretty well balanced calling a Somalian a "Fcking trigger [sic]" to his face in Ealing when we were on the piss on one occasion.

Gah, have rambled here and not really offered anything to the discussion, erm, I just wanted to say, well, thanks for the support, racism is stupid, and sadly. it seems to affect pretty much all groups of people in my experience.

[Keef]

It would probably only take one succesful black cyclist to encourage more young black kids to take up cycling.

You don't see that many black kids taking up golf ;-)

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

That's cos they've all gone to Formula One!

[Asset]

Look at the caste sytem in India - based entirely on skin tone. Palest, the Brahmins; darkest, the untouchables.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

No white man has reached the olympic 100m final since 1980.

....Jeremy wrote that earlier.If thats true that The USA/Jamaica/GB/Canada are all seperately producing constant brilliant Black Sprinters while no-one else is able to produce ANY decent White sprinter out of the endless millions of Whites worldwide surely ends any possible debate that there ARE differences.The odds that in 1980 that ALL 8/10 were Black and in 1984 ALL 8/10 Finalists were Black AND 1988 Ditto AND 1992 Ditto AND 1996 Ditto AND 2000 AND 2004 is so many Trillions/Billions/Zillions to One that it is almost incalculable and yet some still think "Nah! its nonsense!":))

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Obviously in some Sports its all about Role Models and Culture and opportunity,like Tennis in GB with its limitations.

Can't see any reaso why you couldn't have a Top-Class Black Cyclist,for example.

[taper]

Differences between what Tony? You and Jeremy seem to put it down to race or skin colour. This is a nonsense. There are undoubtedly differences in physical attributes among regional populations, attributal to environmental factors. So the Dutch, having been the short@rses of Europe, are now the tallest population in the World (they're pretty good at Volleyball as a result). Samoans are over represented in NFL. And Irish Americans have large feet and make good policemen. The problem is when you obsess about such trivia (and race seems to underpin a lot of what you say on this Board Tony) , it opens up for some a rather unpleasant agenda of attributing other traits to regional popultations; so intelligence, tendencies towards criminality and so on. This in turn gives rise to the Charles Murrays of this World, and beyond that some of the darkest episodes in human history.

[Administrator]

Moving this discussion to the Lounge now as it is no longer East Dulwich specific

[Shu.Kurimu.Sensei]

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[Andyng]

Kick him in the balls

Shu.Kurimu.Sensei Wrote:

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> A fair bit of racism goes on in ED, one of the

> reasons I always pick up the wife whenever

> possible, and why we don't go out locally at night

> due to the moth like effect the pubs have on

> idiots. Over the years we have experienced racism

> from pretty much every racial group you can

> imagine in London, and a fair bit in ED and Forest

> Hill.

>

> Today was really pathetic though, a damn shame I

> wasn't around as I'm fed up of this kind of

> shite.

>

> So the wife was walking home, and this white (are

> we allowed to say a persons colour in a

> description on the forum any more? White myself

> incidentally, so hope the PC collective don't jump

> down my neck here..) bloke walked out of the alley

> behind Moo-too, he was around 45-50 and shouted

> after her "Oi! Sushi!"...

>

> I mean, wow, incredible the xxxx managed to guess

> where she comes from, but, really, WTF? Just what

> is up with that shite?

>

> This kind of shite makes me so angry. Seeing as

> she is an expert chef, maybe we should open up a

> Japanese restaurant, if you are reading this mr

> white trash, there'll be no fooking sushi for you

> though!

>

> PS Sorry for a messy post, am just pretty angry.

>

> (xxxx - rude word removed - The Administrator)

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

I young black guy hung out of the window of his car the other day and shouted 'nice arse for a white girl' to me. I was strangely unoffended.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

But being called 'whitey' in Jamaica was jarring.

[TillieTrotter]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> You confuse me, Taper. Can you clarify the

> difference between "population groups" and racial

> groups in your statement?

>

> You see, this is the kind of thing that really

> annoys me... refusing outright to recognise that

> top sprinters tend to be from African heritage...

> absurd. Naive, faux political correctness.

What he said

[citizenED]

CWALD - Driving through rural Jamaica a little boy called out "hey, whitey" to me. It was an expression of joy/amusement/friendship or something along those lines and not one of offence. How could I be anything but charmed. Hats off to you for your reaction when a guy you don't know sees it his place to comment on your body out loud and in public. From your post it can't be deduced how he said it and that is the rub. It's not what is said, it's how it is said. I could see how some would would be upset by such a comment. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the word threat. Taking offence at something is less important than feeling threatened by something.

[Brendan]

It's all context, growing up where I did I got called "whitey" on many different occasions. Sometimes as a light hearted joke between friends and people I worked with, sometimes in a very direct "fuk off you're not welcome here" sort of way and others in a "You're about 3 seconds away from getting stabbeb" sort of way.

[pk]

TillieTrotter Wrote:

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> Jeremy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > You confuse me, Taper. Can you clarify the

> > difference between "population groups" and

> racial

> > groups in your statement?

> >

> > You see, this is the kind of thing that really

> > annoys me... refusing outright to recognise

> that

> > top sprinters tend to be from African

> heritage...

> > absurd. Naive, faux political correctness.

>

>

>

> What he said

now i didn't write it so i don't know, but perhaps the intention was to say that to lump black people or people of "african heritage" together is sometimes unhelpful? are the stereotypes around say the french, the irish and the italians (all from the same continent) the same?

using a sports example as they seem to be popular - even within africa there are different traditional strengths - the kenyans and ethiopians for example have not produced great sprinters but have produced many great runners over longer distances

i guess (and i could be wrong) that 'population groups' may have been used to acknowledge that black people do not form a homogenous group?

[taper]

yup

[Brendan]

It does annoy me a bit when people class Africans as all being somehow similar. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world put together. This is because we evolved there and moved out in only (as far as I can tell is generally accepted at the moment) 2 major migrations.

So a Kalahari Bushman has less in common genetically with a Maasai from Kenya than a blonde haired blued eyed Swede does with a diminutive South American Indian. But Europeans will happily lump the former 2 in the same category because they both have black skin. Apart from being genetically different they are culturally and linguistically more different than we are from Asians and even have a completely different personal viewpoint of how the individual fits into the universe.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Every Finalist in every 100 Metre Race since 1980 has been Black,I'm led to believe.These Guys come from 4 Main Areas i.e USA/Canada/GB/Jamaica...With the exception of Jamaica the overwhelming majority of Guys in the other 3 Countries are not Black.So if it is about "Population Groups" in the other 3 Regions how does ANYONE explain why it is ONLY the Black Guys who are successful in the 100 Metres if it has little or nothing to do with Genetics?..Obviously its mathematically impossible to have every Finalist for the last 7 Olympics in the 100 Metres to come from a minority of People Worldwide.

[Asset]

I find your excessive use of CAPITALS a little off-putting TLS, maybe it's a suburban thing.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

i'll ask it a little more quietly...

[citizenED]

Using sporting brilliance as a measure of racial characteristics is a flawed concept, however much it generates debate. It would be more instructive to look at averages. Sports people are not normal representatives of their race, they are highly trained and finely honed human specimens. We should look at the the median or mode, ie the mass of a population in the middle. If you had a competition between them, I'm sure you would find no meaningful difference between the various races.

[DaveR]

"An old Spanish joke goes, "how do you know Jesus was a Spaniard? He lived with his mum until he was 34."

The full version is, how do you know Jesus was Italian (or Jewish/Spanish etc.)?

He thought his father was God, thought his mother was a virgin and didn't leave home until he was 34.

[Guest]

Edited because somehow published on wrong thread. More haste, less speed...