Gay Bar in Dulwich? (Lounged)

[Strawbs]

>

>

> Your notion that "younger gay people tend to want

> to have nights out in straight venues and the

> oppurtunity to mix with all types of people" is

> simply guff. Younger gay people want to go to gay

> clubs so they can pull, just like younger straight

> people do in straight clubs. Incidentally, gay

> clubs have pretty much the widest age range of any

> clubs and tend not to be a young or old place to

> go.

>

> There are gay bars where everyone and their granny

> (that means you) are welcomed with open arms.

> There are gay bars with a majority male entry

> policy (no sniggering, Ted max).

> There are gay bars where straight girls pretend to

> be lesbians to get in (ironic as lots of gay man

> don't even like lesbians)

> There are gay bars where it's strictly men only.

>

@Bob - I do agree with you but you seem to have forgotten that the lesbian bar with actual real lesbians in it and rest assured the little girls that come in that arent really in our gang are pretty much spotted straight away and shunned.

[jumpinjackflash]

Speaking of lesbians and gays, I am really liking that Kate Perry song 'I kissed a girl'! Have to refrain from singing indoors though as the old man keeps giving me funny looks.

[Strawbs]

mikese22 Wrote:

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> The Rye Hotel is supposed to be gayish - landlord

> is/was gay (by 'was' I mean that the landlord may

> have moved on, not that he has turned straight!)

>

> We tried to organise regular 'gay drinks' there

> last year, but after a promising start it didn't

> really take off - maybe for the reason that

> MadWorld74 is alluding to??

>

> I'd be up for trying again if anyone else is.....?

> :)-D

I organise a lezza get together once a month at the Rye and always get atleast 40 peeps (off another forum).. I put up a thread re organising rainbow drinks and got two responses - one of which was my partner so I called it off!

[Keef]

This conversation is like, so last year man! ;-)

10 July, 2007 12:06

I'm not sure that's true.... I am sure there are those people out there who would be put off their drink by 2 blokes (shock horror) holding hands, but I think generally it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows.

Admittedly, I wouldn't really want to see 2 blokes snogging in front of me, but not because they're 2 blokes. I can't stand it when straight couples feel the need to eat each other's faces off whilst sat across the table from me in the pub either.... Puts me off me lager, and makes me wonder why they can do that, but I can't smoke a bloody ciggie!

Come to think of it, maybe I am just a prude after all

[mockney piers]

On a night out with a couple of colleagues in Amsterdam we happened upon a bar with loads of cute women having seemingly enormous amounts of fun. we were a bit booze addled to make the obvious conclusions to be drawn from the homogeneity of the client?le.

So we pop in and order at the bar. The lady tells us in no uncertain terms that we're not welcome and finally the penny drops, so to speak.

I looked at her with tear filled puppy dog eyes and said 'but you have to serve us, my mum's a lesbian'.

Poor girl looked so confused it was g&ts all round. We didn't stay long, even the smell of testosterone was clearly making some people uncomfortable...it did look lots of fun though...

*edited for grocers apostrophe*

[Brendan]

Don't you mean a grocers' apostrophe?

[Louisa]

Staight men tend to appreciate a couple of "lipstick lesbians" kissing in front of them be that in a Gay or Straight venue, but if two men were doing the same most would be disgusted. Just an observation.

Louisa.

[clive3300]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Staight men tend to appreciate a couple of

> "lipstick lesbians" kissing in front of them be

> that in a Gay or Straight venue, but if two men

> were doing the same most would be disgusted. Just

> an observation.

>

> Louisa.

This is quite true for most straight guys. No idea why.

[Sonners]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Staight men tend to appreciate a couple of

> "lipstick lesbians" kissing in front of them be

> that in a Gay or Straight venue, but if two men

> were doing the same most would be disgusted. Just

> an observation.

>

> Louisa.

I guess that depends on who your "most" consist of - me and my girls were avid fans of Queer as Folk...

[mockney piers]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Staight men tend to appreciate a couple of

> "lipstick lesbians" kissing in front of them be

> that in a Gay or Straight venue, but if two men

> were doing the same most would be disgusted. Just

> an observation.

>

> Louisa.

Not when it's your mum....seriously!!!!

and heaven's forbid Brendan!!

[ratty]

I am just thinking, and I do not mean to be provocative in any way - honest I don't, but is there any point in anyone who is not Gay making a comment on this thread? I mean, how can we have an opinion if we are not gay? Surely, whether it would be good for ED to have a gay bar is a question that can only be answered by someone with a vested interest.

I don't think I am coming across very well but I hope someone gets me gist.

[lozzyloz]

I don't think I am coming across very well but I hope someone gets me gist

Are you saying you're gay bar curious?

[Keef]

Even though I have commented, I see what you're saying ratty. However, I guess it depends, when you say "Surely, whether it would be good for ED to have a gay bar is a question that can only be answered by someone with a vested interest", you could say, it's good for the gays folk of ED, but good for the area as a whole, that I think is something that people will have opinions on, much like they seem to about every shop, flat, needle exchange, and whatever else someone thinks about opening in ED.

[Ant]

Meh. What's all the fuss? Surely the only issue is whether or not there'd be enough custom for a gay bar to survive? Any other supposed issues over whether or not there should be one are just so much irrelevant fluff.

[Keef]

Well quite. I'd say (based on no fact at all) there seems to be quite a high number of gays in the village, but whether or not they'd all want to drink in the gay bar is another matter.

Which reminds me.

Gonna spend all your money!!!!

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Strangely reminiscent of ZZ Top!

[RosieH]

I freakin' love the zz top - something to hang onto. If only all gay men looked that way i'd consider a sex change*

*I absolutely reserve the right to back down from this when the aspall's has worn off

Do we need a gay bar? Pah, what do we need? Not animal print cushions, not poncey cosmetics and certainly not overpriced tropical fruit. But it might be fun.

(And an antidote to the brockley - or is it bromley? I'm sorry I'm from the north - types who seem to like a little argy-bargy on the LL)

[MadWorld74]

Strawbs Wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Your notion that "younger gay people tend to

> want

> > to have nights out in straight venues and the

> > oppurtunity to mix with all types of people" is

> > simply guff. Younger gay people want to go to

> gay

> > clubs so they can pull, just like younger

> straight

> > people do in straight clubs. Incidentally, gay

> > clubs have pretty much the widest age range of

> any

> > clubs and tend not to be a young or old place

> to

> > go.

> >

> > There are gay bars where everyone and their

> granny

> > (that means you) are welcomed with open arms.

> > There are gay bars with a majority male entry

> > policy (no sniggering, Ted max).

> > There are gay bars where straight girls pretend

> to

> > be lesbians to get in (ironic as lots of gay

> man

> > don't even like lesbians)

> > There are gay bars where it's strictly men only.

>

> >

> @Bob - I do agree with you but you seem to have

> forgotten that the lesbian bar with actual real

> lesbians in it and rest assured the little girls

> that come in that arent really in our gang are

> pretty much spotted straight away and shunned.

Stawbs, maybe the 'little girls' that come in and are shunned by your 'gang'....may want to be a part of your gang and are waiting for you to 'initiate';-) them into it.....

[SeanMacGabhann]

neeeeeeever going to be happy with statement like that regardless of which community/religion/nationality they come from - sorry strawbs

[JohnL]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> >

> neeeeeeever going to be happy with statement like

> that regardless of which

> community/religion/nationality they come from -

> sorry strawbs

It does beg a rather frightening reply which us Celts as a minority in the British Isles are very careful about provoking from the English (although we love them of course :)).

[James]

As a gay man I have to take issue with Strawbs here too. If as gay people we say we don't want straight people in our bars (bars as opposed to blacked-out sex clubs, that is!) surely that's as bad as straight people saying we're not welcome in theirs!?

This issue comes up time and time again with all sorts of minorities who seem to think that being a minority gives people the right to discriminate... this seems nonsensical to me.

The only straight people in gay bars I object to are the ones who've come to gawp at all the 'hilarious queers' - or, even worse, silly fag hags trying to be trendy (the sort who would give each other a tongue sandwich to gratify straight men).

I'm also amazed at how certain people here are making sweeping generalisations, purporting to speak for the entire gay community. The people I know who are gay are as diverse as my straight friends in their tastes, interests and what kind of places they like to go out.

[TillieTrotter]

Again....a very well put sentiment there James.

[Strawbs]

@James - WOW who would have thought one comment could have required a 4 paragraph deep and meaningful response but anyhoo!

Ok I will own it as my own opinion and not of the gay community at large even though I do know I am not entirely alone in this opinion.

@SeanM - Im sorry darling I know you dont like the comment I made (and wouldnt regardless of who it was said by) but its my opinion and I am sticking by it.

[Keef]

Well then we'd rather you didn't mix with us at all in future, and would like you to wear a sign around your neck, just to show us that you are different and not to be mixed with!

Sorry, being silly today, but that's how segragation starts.

[Strawbs]

Speaking on behalf of everyone are you Keef?

I believe segregation starts with enforcement. I am not not allowing straight people in to gay bars and I am certainly not standing at the door of any gay bars telling them they cant come in, if they are there then fine, my opinion states that I would prefer that when I am in a gay bar with my partner that there arent straight people in there with me which I am entirely entitled to have.