Otta Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 dontpanic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Haberdashers' Aske's Dulwich School> HADS> > Doesn't need an 'East' the Hospital never did...> > If JAGS is ok and used as an official acronym then> why not?Totally agree about the East.Hatcham is the area which people that live there call Telegraph Hill, Brockley or New Cross. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Yes james I understand there is a problem with fraud what i don't get is how a civil court can make a ruling torecover money, when no criminal charges were brought. I would have thought the EFA woulld have pressed forcharges rather than chasing money which was not recovered. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotty Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Also agree with above:1) Hatcham is terrible2) Don't need the "East"3) Don't need the "College""Haberdashers' Aske's Dulwich" is great Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 TE44 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Yes james I understand there is a problem with> fraud what i don't get is how a civil court can> make a ruling to> recover money, when no criminal charges were> brought. I would have thought the EFA woulld have> pressed for> charges rather than chasing money which was not> recovered.From what I hear, the spending was actually authorised, hence not actually fraud. If there was evidence of a criminal act, there would be charges. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Fuschia its the first I've heard about it, it seems very strange no charges were brought sooner if a criminal act was committed, especially with civic courtruling. Where did you hear the spending was authorised, i'd b interested to know. James believes the EFA are more open but don't want to hold my breath waiting on that source. Thanks. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The guy is clearly a clever accountant, maybe (and I don't know) he hasn't actually broken any laws, whilst being unbelievably dishonest. I know sone current and former teachers, will dig for some gos. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs.lotte Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 According to BBC news the Civil Judge totally rejected the claim that spending had been authorised.I would like to know more about this but would express some caution as to publishing "gos" on a public forum that relates to an ongoing criminal investigation. Some may call that gagging/cover up but I call it good sense and due process.On a different note - I'm not keen on "Hatcham" prefer Haberdashers East Dulwich. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Considering he was arrested almost two years ago its not surprising theres a question over what happened here.I don't quite understand why the police, as James said, would tell Habs to keep it quiet for fear of scupperinga court case, i'd like to know what has stopped this case from being held in a criminal court. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Hi TE44,Because the Police need to finish their investigation.This feels a bit silly now. You've heard the Police told the Habs federation not to talk about this until after any criminal court case. But you keep questioning why Habs didnt talk about it.The problem isnt Habs not talking about it but rather the Police taking over two years.You've asked why EFA didnt push for criminal charges over trying to recover cash. Recovering cash is harder the longer you leave it. The EFA wouldnt be involved in prosecuting criminal charges (perhaps witnesses). That's for the Police and CPS.Hi Fuschia,I'm amazed you've written your post when the Police are still investigating what the press have reported as a complex multi country, multi year fraud.Or have you been briefed by the Police?Hi mrs.lotte,Ditto for me - Haberdashers' East Dulwich.Hi Grotty,As an East Dulwich councillor I have to promote East Dulwich rather than amorphous Dulwich. Agree that college isnt ideal as for me it doesnt sound very comprehensive secondary school like. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 James Barber Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Hi Grotty,> As an East Dulwich councillor I have to promote East Dulwich rather than amorphous Dulwich.Why James? What difference does it make other than sounding rubbish? As has already been pointed out, it's being (hopefully!!!) built on the site of Dulwich Hospital, not East Dulwich Hospital. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 If the people who attend will be primarily se22 residents then it should have East Dulwich in the name. Its a school created out of the need for additional school places in East Dulwich after all. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 That argument makes no sense to me to be honest. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dulwich to most people nowadays means Dulwich Village. If Habs call our new school Haberdasher's Dulwich School or Haberdashers' Dulwich College it could get confused with other schools. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Jame It feels "a bit silly to me", that the name of the school seems more important to you, than the dealings ofa significant fraud, where the EFA are still srongly encouraging providers to adopt the Habs Federation financialmanagement. Have Habs gave any public statement after the ruling of the high court.Surely there was plenty evidence for the decision to be made.I am not saying the problem lies soley with Habs, i have always thought of a civil procedure as an alternativeto criminal. I find it very worrying that this amount of money can be defrauded, go before a high court judge and still no criminal proceedings, regardless of the evidence given for the judges decision.It feels to me like the law is being used to cover a crime.I would suggest they call in the department dealing with benefit fraud, i suppose theres to much money involvedand ever so complicated. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barber Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Hi TE44,Habs have been directed by the Police to say as little as possible until after criminal court proceedings.So I don't believe they've made a public statement after the civil case. I'd be horrified if they ignored a request from the Police - wouldn't you?We can go around and around this again and again but your criticism seems to be why aren't Habs talking more when they would be irresponsible to do so ignoring Police direction.Please, lets leave the police to do their job. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 TE44 Why are you pushing this agenda so hard.Whatever did or did not happen about the fraud, it is hitory.James I disagree that "most people" mean the village when they say Dulwich.I grew up in East Dulwich, but when people say to me where abouts are you from, I have always said "Dulwich".Not that it actually matters at all, or will have any effect on my life, but I just think "Haberdashers Aske's Dulwich" is the nicest sounding name. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 As i've said already James, its not just about Habs,as much as you can't seem to see past that.All cases of fraud must be reported to EFA, this contract between themselves and providers has beenquestioned on there transparency. Now we're being told when major fraud has been committed we mustaccept that no explanation will be given regardless of this case going in front of a high court judge.I would have thought the Efa had some clout in moving this on. I take it Habs are in contact with EFA over this matter. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dulwich and East Dulwich are totally distinct areas . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 So where is Dulwich?I'd have thought that Dulwich is ED, WD and DV all together. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jul/12/academy-letter-parents-2m-fraudJust saw this (link above) about the fraud, further down it says,"The federation is believed to have been in the running to open another schoolin East Dulwich but a rival academy chain recently emerged as front runner"Otta I am merely asking a question, havent you heard of history repeating itsf.In light of the mismanagements of finace by a number of academys earlier this year, of course i'm not saying thats what happened in this case, I can onlywait on the outcome.And seriously what information can parent give to media regarding interfering in anyprosecution. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstopit Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Useful Q&A document on the 'have your say' thread which addresses the fraud on page 12. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
intexasatthe moment Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Dulwich = Dulwich Village . I've lived here all my life and agree with James ,if you say Dulwich people assume Dulwich Village . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpanic Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Yes but it was never called East Dulwich Hospital... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 http://leftfootforward.org/2014/07/anyone-interested-in-education-can-learn-from-the-haberdashers-askes-debacle/here's an interesting piece written by a habs parent. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 intexasatthe moment Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Dulwich = Dulwich Village . I've lived here all my> life and agree with James ,if you say Dulwich> people assume Dulwich Village .Well I've also been around a while and I disagree, so guess it just depends who you talk to. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/39130-haberdashers-east-dulwich-751-families-supporting/page/32/#findComment-767680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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