i know he,s a moron,gordon is a moron.

[Jimbob]

following on from the disasters which have hit the labour party over the past week's,the latest being the Glasgow east by election. one must ask the question is now the time for Gordon to go and for labour to get a new man in for when the party's return after the summer break, because if things continue at their present rate, i can only see one outcome at the next general election. at present i am torn between trying to decide if it is all due to general ineptitude on gordon's behalf, or if after 11 years we have had enough of labour and the love affair is over. unfortunately my head tells me its the first as some of the decisions recently made have struck me as hastily planned and ill thought out, eg the proposed response to the upsurge in stabbing incidents, and as for the 2p fuel increase.

discuss.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

I believe all Labour's ills stem from the education system. Once they stopped teaching pupils to put capital letters at the start of sentences, it all went down hill.

[Brendan]

i have no idea what you mean innit.

[mockney piers]

Damn that Gordon and his invoking Typhoons over south East Asia, lending money to poor Americans, spurring oil demand in India and China and prowling around London with his shiv.

I may have no time for Labour....at....alll.....but even I feel a little sympathy for Brown, 90% of what people are pissed off about really can't be laid at his door; it's just he doesn't come on TV all the time with a ridiculous grin patronising everyone and assuring them that everything s brilliant, honest.

The latter may win elections, but I for one am glad that for the time being it's over.

Although he did basically bankrupt the government on loads of ridiculously poorly thought out PFI type stuff which we'll be paying off for decades to come. Plus he'll finally come through with his promises to pull troops out of Iraq, just as soon as the new president lets him (hopefully), Go Gordy.

[lordship_bod]

would it not be fair to say that gordon was handed the poision chalice and things were going down hill when good old tony left office? granted some of his decisions were not brillant but he's fighting an uphil battle anyway... the love affair is definitely over....

[SteveT]

Perhaps the chalice would be less poisonous had he not grabbed so greedily at it, and asked us our opinion whether he should be the only one allowed to put his hands out to grasp it.

He cannot be deemed a proper professional political leader, when he was not elected.

A damned sauce, that he arrogantly helped himself to the leadership of a democratic party and country and not be elected, rather like Saddam Hussein isn't it(?)

[Marmora Man]

He cannot be deemed a proper professional political leader, when he was not elected.

A damned sauce, that he arrogantly helped himself to the leadership of a democratic party and country and not be elected, rather like Saddam Hussein isn't it

THere have been other "non elected" Prime Ministers - the last being John Major. However, prior to him - Jim Callaghan, Douglas Home, Anthony Eden.

To my mind he is reaping what he sowed. His deal with TB was that TB do the leader bit but GB have total control of the Treasury and thus of the British economy and government spending. While I would not deny that "events" have not helped, it has been GB's profligate spending, borrowing to fund the spending, off balance sheet accounting, inflation of the public sector wage bill without matching improvements in performance, creation of a target led regime, stealth taxes, windfall taxes, ripping off of private pensions and other errors of judgement / management that have screwed things up.

Unfortunately we are all going to suffer for the next few years - and whatever government and leader takes over - they'll have one hell of a mess to clear up.

PS: Pensions and house prices - is there a link? Once Britain has one of the best pension systems going - a majority of employees could look forward to an inflation proofed final salary based pension. GB ended all that by removing the pension fund tax breaks - lack of security of pension meant that getting on the housing bandwagon and using the credit boom looked a good idea - if you're expecting a crap pension why not extend your mortgage to buy more than you can afford, in the hope it will, one day, sell for stacks, use half to buy a small place and the other half to fund retirement. He b******d that up, as plan, too.

GB will be assessed in 10 years time as one of the worst chancellors of the last 100 years not one of the best as he fondly imagined.

Edited for clarity

[macroban]

Don't worry - here's the answer.

[Michael Palaeologus]

The Labour Party have run out of ideas, its the same old faces, trotting out the same old phrases.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Do you mean the same old Trostkis rephrasing the same old faeces?

[SeanMacGabhann]

To those on the Right it may be convenient to label Labour as Trotskis - but seriously.... I'd settle for the odd left-winger within Labour, never mind what passes for them now

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

That was a throwaway line, Sean, no need to respond. What passes for my warped sense of humour.

[SeanMacGabhann]

oops - so was mine.

* re-reads *

ok, yeah - that could be taken as a rebuttal. Ne'r mind - is 11am too early for beer? Or do I need to stick with vodka?

[????]

I think he's jsut been found out as second rate...

he's obviously not a team player and he needs support now but he has made too many enemies, at the same time he's not actually a strong leader so you end up with vacillation or the awful embarrassing "I feel your pain and will lead you through it" rhetori which is actually just pathetic, I'm not sure if he's even the intellectual he's made out to be, there's certainly no evidence of substance when he opens his mouth and he certainly has no 'vision' at all...I honestly think he's way out of his depth and promoted beyond his ability, His chancellership wasn't that great, his arrogance led him to bang sell most of our gold reserve at the bottom of the market against expert opinion, his boastful No more boom and bust makes his please that it's global problems very hollow...I think he's as bad as that idiot Major was,,,he should go the useless buffoon

[citizenED]

I am sure I am not alone in feeling very sorry for the guy, despite the fact that he has made some bad decisions. Did he really want to be Prime Minister for all that time and then realise that when it was handed to him by people who respected him, trusted him, hated him and were scared of him, that he just wasn't up to it. A tragic personal tale

[louisiana]

There are many things wrong with Labour.

GB is just one of them.

His legacy at the Treasury not good: pensions issues, tax credits ludicrous complexity (whatever happened to KISS?)...

But many people made up their mind about Labour before TB left office.

[HonaloochieB]

Ended up in a job beyond his abilities. He's not someone who can manage people, let alone politicians.

At the time when TB was boss he appeared to be a good sidekick, though only because he appeared to be a good chancellor.

There surely can't be any serious challenge to his leaderaship, can there?

To have a second PM imposed would be more than the electorate would take. Wouldn't it? Mmmm.

Frankly I could shit a better leader of the country.

[????]

Honaloochie - "Frankly I could shit a better leader of the country." lol, and spat my coffee out...v.good