Scratched cars on CP Road and North Cross Road

[adonirum]

@ KK Def not what I am advocating -no punishment- after all I started by stating "Well said DulwichFox". I would, in fact, advocate the strongest possible sentence. I was merely pointing out and agreeing with @Sue that this course of behaviour does indeed happen, as in the same manner appeasement also leads to further offending because the perpetrator will see themselves as having "got away with it". I was trying to point out the completely perverse, chip-on-the-shoulder that these types often have, and it probably stays with them from the cradle to the grave, this "I hate authority, I hate society, I hate people, I hate myself" attitude that we all owe them something/ a living. Jeremy Kyle fodder for the future I strongly suspect.

[Sue]

Well, we've got no idea why this particular person scratched these cars, unless somebody posting on here knows otherwise.

I don't think it's possible to generalise, and I think there are many many factors involved in what should be the "punishment" blah blah.

There are moral, social and psychological issues, aren't there, as well as legal issues.

People probably do degrees in it :)

ETA: And I'm not saying I wouldn't be very pissed off indeed if somebody scratched my car, however I would also probably want to kill anybody who harmed my daugher or my grandchildren, but that doesn't mean I believe in killing people legally as a punishment or "deterrent" ......

[KidKruger]

Well it's a bit like the shit-on-the-floor-in-the-mens-loos thread.

But the focus strays to why it may have been done, the state the person was in, etc etc.

It is NOT acceptable.

A village I stayed in for a few months in India, this kid would have been beaten within an inch of his life by locals, then his parents would have had a (as they call it) "sound thrashing", then the police would have been advised of the crime and money would come very quickly back to the car owners until they were happy.

Obviously I don't advocate this extreme response, but the focus of attention I wholly am aligned to. And guess what ? There ain't no cars keyed in Thul, UP. (to be fair, there's probably only like 4 cars, but hopefully you get my point..)

[adonirum]

@Sue You state...we've no idea why scratced cars...not possible to generalise.....don't leap to conclusions....but you probably hit the nail on the head when you stated...yes he might be a nasty little shit... remember the original posting mentions a total of eleven vehicles. How can this be anything other than unacceptable, as @KK wrote in his last post. I accept and take on board all your other view points, but the extent of the offending ie: the total numbers involved, surely give us the answer. A sustained course of action taking a period of time rather than a one off aberration ?

[Loz]

Sue Wrote:

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> Well, we've got no idea why this particular person scratched these cars, unless somebody posting on

> here knows otherwise.

Unless it was an accident, I don't frankly care why the little scrote scratched the cars. He needs to be punished and/or treated/helped and/or make retributions. If he has problems at home, then at the very least he needs to be sent around to the victims and apologise and see if they are willing to accept it.

I know it is a little reductio ad absurdum, but would you be willing to give him the same leeway if he'd raped someone?

[Sue]

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> Sue Wrote:

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> > Well, we've got no idea why this particular

> person scratched these cars, unless somebody

> posting on

> > here knows otherwise.

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Loz Wrote:

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> Unless it was an accident, I don't frankly care

> why the little scrote scratched the cars. He needs

> to be punished and/or treated/helped and/or make

> retributions. If he has problems at home, then at

> the very least he needs to be sent around to the

> victims and apologise and see if they are willing

> to accept it.

>

> I know it is a little reductio ad absurdum, but

> would you be willing to give him the same leeway

> if he'd raped someone?

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Eh?

I'm not "giving him any leeway"?

I'm just saying it's not a simple issue.

And where did I say - anywhere - that I viewed scratching cars as in any way acceptable?!

[EDherb]

So, it's ?1,700 + VAT for me (?350 excess) and more in the region of 30 cars (not 11).

Perhaps the wise words of the great, late Mel Smith can provide some guidance...

[KidKruger]

That's a bit harsh herby, surely a cheap n cheerful fingers in bolt-cutters will do the trick. Quick, too.

[KidKruger]

"So, it's ?1,700 + VAT for me (?350 excess) and more in the region of 30 cars (not 11)."

This cost x30, or however many cars are damaged, should be the parents' to bear. Within their own family they can contain the connotations (cost) of the crime. Shouldn't be for the victims to make good.

[Sue]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "So, it's ?1,700 + VAT for me (?350 excess) and

> more in the region of 30 cars (not 11)."

>

> This cost x30, or however many cars are damaged,

> should be the parents' to bear. Within their own

> family they can contain the connotations (cost) of

> the crime. Shouldn't be for the victims to make

> good.

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An eye for an eye, then, KK?

[KidKruger]

well put it this way, there ain't so much theft and vandalism in Dubai.

Not because there's nothing to nick or vandalise, but because there's a deterrent.

NO (before obvious comments ensue, yawn) I am not 'saying we should be exactly like Dubai'.

YES I am recognising we have a weak attitude towards this kind of crime where the honest taxpaying hardworking chap gets dicked-over and the criminal gets SFA punishment. As Aristotle would have said, "it's total bollox".

[David A]

I don't know whether the ones who wrote 'PUSEY' on my bonnet needed a slap or a remedial spelling lesson more.

They'd clearly missed the 'C is for cat' one.

[Sue]

David A Wrote:

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> I don't know whether the ones who wrote 'PUSEY' on

> my bonnet needed a slap or a remedial spelling

> lesson more.

>

> They'd clearly missed the 'C is for cat' one.

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Off topic but that reminds of the person who wrote "YOU ARE BRIAN DEAD" on a poster I saw last year :))

ETA: I think they meant "brain dead", and weren't reminding somebody called Brian Dead who he was ..... it really made me laugh.

[adonirum]

What about the graffitti that read "Dyslexia rules K.O."

[purplebreeze]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> > ED - NAGAIUTB Wrote:

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> > > EDherb Wrote:

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> > > > Yes the police caught him (aged 15) -

> someone

> > > > spotted him at it and called them.

> > > >

> > > > What a waste of time and money - we were

> > badly

> > > > scratched and facing a chunky insurance

> claim

> > > and

> > > > unwelcome excess...!

> > >

> > > Surely if the Police caught him, you have a

> > case

> > > for his parents to pay up for the damage? At

> 15

> > he

> > > is still a minor and their responsibility.

> > >

> > > Wishful thinking perhaps, but better than

> > seeing

> > > your insurance premium go up next renewal!

> >

> > Problem is that such incidents reflects likely

> > behaviour in the area.

> > Insurance companies base their rates on an area

> to

> > area basis.

> >

> > This is Not an isolated incident.

> > A while back one night several cars had their

> wing

> > mirrors kicked off on Whateley Road.

> >

> > There have been several incidents of cars being

> > broken into here on EDF.

> > I would imagine only a fraction of incidents

> are

> > reported here.

> >

> > Late night opening of bars would seem to be

> > responsible for more late night revelry.

> >

> > Although in this instance at 15 I suppose he

> will

> > get a slap on the wrist.. (No. Cannot do that

> any

> > more)

> >

> > Unlikely to go any further and we all get to

> pay

> > higher premiums on our insurance.

> >

> > Hopefully it will stay on his record so that

> when

> > he is old enough to have his own car he will not

>

> > be able to find anyone to insure him.

> >

> > DulwichFox

>

> Insurance Companies don't ask what's on your

> criminal record. In any case, if it precludes him

> from getting a job, that's only going to further

> marginalise him. What he needs is a good length

> of community service and some life coaching, or

> the death sentence, depending on your point of

> view.

Just been getting quotes for car insurance today and spoke to many different companies and they all asked if I had a criminal record - this is the first time I have ever been asked that so must be something new they are doing. Just thought I would let you know...

[Sue]

adonirum Wrote:

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> What about the graffitti that read "Dyslexia rules

> K.O."

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Yes but that's deliberate, isn't it :)

[DulwichFox]

purplebreeze Wrote:

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> Just been getting quotes for car insurance today

> and spoke to many different companies and they all

> asked if I had a criminal record - this is the

> first time I have ever been asked that so must be

> something new they are doing. Just thought I

> would let you know...

Asking about criminal records was stopped in April 2013 as I posted earlier.

Although there may well be exemptions to this rule.. ???

They can ask. Not sure if you are obliged to tell them.

DulwichFox