malumbu Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The Twitter sphere seems to be getting excited by a throw away remark by my good friend (well he got me a Guinness once).Here was my response to the world beyond EDF:Umhh, there are a lot of Poles in Britain and a lot of Polish builders. The comment was not funny, but a throw away one which made no inference to the quality of Polish builders nor the number of Poles living in Britain.Of course we have a special relationship stemming from Pogroms (Jews being persecuted in central and Eastern Europe in the early 20th century) and World War II. As opposed to the US where 'Polak' jokes were common until perhaps relatively recently.I get far more stereotypical and potentially racist remarks from supposedly successful and intelligent (but sadly ignorant) people in the burbs. My favourite one is - Oh, SE London, we had to move out of there to a blue borough when 'they' moved in ("they" in a hushed tone).----------------------------------[end of my post to the rest of the world]Chiles just needs to say whoops, that was stupid of me, do a nice apology and here is a ?10k donation to the Polish war memorial. That coke sniffing property tycoon on Final Score had to eat humble pie last week after saying something that could have been slightly derogatory against women/women's football. I am sure that he is not a misogynist. I am of course being tongue in cheek about Mr Fowler's recreational drug interests.What I meant to add to the posing above was that things can only get better as my good friends D:ream once sang. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
titch juicy Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 malumbu Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The Twitter sphere seems to be getting excited by> a throw away remark by my good friend (well he got> me a Guinness once).> > Here was my response to the world beyond EDF:> > Umhh, there are a lot of Poles in Britain and a> lot of Polish builders. The comment was not> funny, but a throw away one which made no> inference to the quality of Polish builders nor> the number of Poles living in Britain.> > Of course we have a special relationship stemming> from Pogroms (Jews being persecuted in central and> Eastern Europe in the early 20th century) and> World War II. As opposed to the US where 'Polak'> jokes were common until perhaps relatively> recently.> > I get far more stereotypical and potentially> racist remarks from supposedly successful and> intelligent (but sadly ignorant) people in the> burbs. My favourite one is - Oh, SE London, we> had to move out of there to a blue borough when> 'they' moved in ("they" in a hushed tone).> ----------------------------------> > > Chiles just needs to say whoops, that was stupid> of me, do a nice apology and here is a ?10k> donation to the Polish war memorial. That coke> sniffing property tycoon on Final Score had to eat> humble pie last week after saying something that> could have been slightly derogatory against> women/women's football. I am sure that he is not> a misogynist. I am of course being tongue in> cheek about Mr Fowler's recreational drug> interests.> > What I meant to add to the posing above was that> things can only get better as my good friends> D:ream once sang....and, what did he say?Regardless of what he did say and did/didn't mean, the man is a grade A pillock. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 And you sound like a cockney winker!15,000 Poles at the England/Poland match "its just like a home match for them"And something about being careful of what he said as he had Polish builders round.Was hoping to open this up to a proper discussion on casual racism, rather than silly/juvenile jibes which can be the nature of this forum.I am just laying the gauntlet down. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I remember a good few years ago (probably 10+) when an Australian was in the Wimbledon final, and the commentator said something like "there won't be a bar in London with any staff today". Similar comment really, but didn't raise an eyebrow. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
titch juicy Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 "Was hoping to open this up to a proper discussion on casual racism, rather than silly/juvenile jibes which can be the nature of this forum."not sure there's anything to discuss tbh Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giggirl Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Irish jokes used to be the norm but you don't hear them any more. Used to be acceptable to call Irish people thick. I guess it was the same for Poles in the US. We've moved on thankfully.On another note, my builders were 90% Polish and they were brilliant. Faultless workers. I couldn't recommend them highly enough. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Nothing to see here and people generally, really, really need to understand the proper definition of racism..... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Agreed.And Polish builders have a very good rep as hard working and won't rip you off. Unfortunately they get financially abused in many cases by greedy British bosses, but hopefully that is less common now than say 5 - 8 years ago. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 giggirl Wrote:-----------------------> > On another note, my builders were 90% Polish and> they were brilliant. Faultless workers. I> couldn't recommend them highly enough.Can we assume there were at least 10 builders.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northlondoner Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I prefer my racism formal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 This is stereotyping rather than racism isn't it? I suppose we should anticipate legislation to curb our spontaneous 'sense of humour' characterized by a complete lack of connection between brain and gob. The best faux pas that I heard was when a man at a council meeting was about to throw a spanner in the works by making a suggestion and he began by saying ' I don't wish to be a ni**er in the wood-pile..' then amidst the gasps he realised what he had said. He was required to submit a written apology- then he resigned from his position-obviously he could not chance putting his size 9s in it again! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 On the Radio5 commentary of the England game one of the commentators referred to the opposition as "the Montenegroes" Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcam Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Adrian Chiles is a waste of space. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Yep - Welsh are the new Irish :) - I do get a lot of Welsh jokes.Also - It's Montynegrin - i didn't know that.giggirl Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Irish jokes used to be the norm but you don't hear> them any more. Used to be acceptable to call> Irish people thick. I guess it was the same for> Poles in the US. We've moved on thankfully.> > On another note, my builders were 90% Polish and> they were brilliant. Faultless workers. I> couldn't recommend them highly enough. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 uncleglen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> This is stereotyping rather than racism isn't it?Surely stereotyping by reference to race is exactly what racism is? Not that I give a sh*t about comemnts about Polish builders. Anyone describing that as racism can get off their high horse. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I don't think stereotyping is necessarily racist, though of course it can be.Racism asserts ones own superiority/anothers inferiority, whereas stereotyping is just a lazy blanket application of some idea, misapprehension, truism or even national symbol, but needn't be derogatory.German efficiency springs to mind, clog wearing Dutchman might be another. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 What El Pibe said. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I don't mind Chiles at all, he has an easy going charm and generally knows what he's talking about, and I find the flack he gets for his looks thoroughly depressing.Agree with Quids, not sure what the fuss is about. Given the influx of Poles into London for the last decade or so it seems likely that they'll have a good turnout, and it's perfectly likely that his builders are in fact Polish, just as at least half the builders on the two sites I pass every morning are, and as were the chaps who did my kitchen a couple of years ago.So in fact we have a probable assertion and an anecdotal experience common to many who live in the capital.QUICK, MAN THE PITCHFORKS.If we'd been playing Romania and he'd said 'It's practically a home game for them so keep your wallets safe from theiving Gippos in Wembley' then fair enough, but it wasn't and he didn't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I quite like him too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
titch juicy Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 He's just a terrible presenter- fits itv's coverage well Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I've been interviewed by him a long time ago (just before he started being on TV) on a graveyard slot on Radio 5...we discussed football off air and economics on it, the football conversation was far more interesting and he was a nice guy Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 So EP - do you think that implying that Germans are more efficient than those of other nations is racist ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Mick Mac Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> So EP - do you think that implying that Germans> are more efficient than those of other nations is> racist ?How would He know, he's probably mid-siesta. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I have always liked Chiles and he's a good laugh.Motd 2 was his appropriate spot I thought he was right for a relaxed Sunday evening viewing and was disappointed when the been lost him. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 maxxi Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Mick Mac Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > So EP - do you think that implying that Germans> > are more efficient than those of other nations> is> > racist ?> > How would He know, he's probably mid-siesta.Well he will fit right in in Ireland then. They are a bunch of lazy twats. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/37397-adrian-chiles-casual-racism/#findComment-687698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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