Pavement widening outside M&S nr East Dulwich station...

[jazzer]

  On 17/04/2025 at 16:48, Angelina said:

Absolutely Jazzer. As more people realise it takes too long to do their unnecessary trips in the car, they’ll look at doing things differently- possibly driving at different times, not driving etc - and this will help clear the traffic and make it easier to travel by bus. 
Fewer unnecessary drivers means less traffic. 

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No it will not do what you think it will. 

The consequence of roadworks this afternoon resulted in traffic being backed up in the direction to the Grove Tavern at about 5pm and it was solid and not moving, More traffic not moving so more stagnant pollution. No wonder more people are dying of cancer from the excessive pollution. If traffic moved it would help, but planners who deem "they know best" plus Mayor Khan think slowing traffic to a stagnant crawl is the answer, when common sense shows how wrong they are.

The perfect example is Forest Hill Road, till the so called know it all planners decided it needed three lots of traffic signals installed. Where previously traffic used to flow, now it does the exact opposite. All these supposed new measures may keep people employed in traffic departments, the reality is it causes inconvenience and dramatically slows traffic down, which is wrong in every sense.    

[malumbu]

Good heavens. There are always traffic works and congestion across London.  It's not a wile conspiracy, it's been happening since the horse and cart 

[jazzer]

But not to the extent it is now, I remember when traffic used to flow and I mean flow. 

[Nigello]

Three parked cars on the newly built out area - they mounted the kerb. What is the actual purpose of this if it’s to be immediately abused? 

[alice]

Then why put a curb if it’s used for the delivery lorries, it doesn’t make sense. 

[Nigello]

And this on an Easter Sunday, when traffic is much lighter than usual!
If you live near here and know your councillor, please ask him/her. If you don’t know, go to Write To Them and all info will be three. (They won’t reply to anyone who’s not a constituent, so I can’t do that.)

[LurkyMcLurker]

  On 20/04/2025 at 13:13, Nigello said:

Three parked cars on the newly built out area - they mounted the kerb. What is the actual purpose of this if it’s to be immediately abused? 

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Yes this seems like a consistent issue.

There isn't a sign indicating you can't park there so people just do it.

[Nigello]

  On 05/04/2025 at 13:10, LurkyMcLurker said:

It seems way more likely they'd park the lorry right next to the shop on Railway Rise. How did you come to the conclusion they'll simply block half the road?

Ultimately I think this is a good change. More space for people walking around the station. I commute to/from work via ED and a lot of people exit the station and turn right towards lordship lane. Even beyond the daily commuters there's all the students from the nearby secondary school and any time there's a DHFC match it gets busy.



 

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Perhaps if you witnessed the three cars parked in/on (because one must mount a kerb to park there) it today with no space for pedestrians or wheelchairs other than what was there before, you’d think differently. 

[LurkyMcLurker]

  On 20/04/2025 at 13:58, Nigello said:

Perhaps if you witnessed the three cars parked in/on (because one must mount a kerb to park there) it today with no space for pedestrians or wheelchairs other than what was there before, you’d think differently. 

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I did witness it and I don't think differently. Not sure why you think I would. Am I supposed to be distressed or something?

People parking where they shouldn't doesn't take away from the overall good that widening the pavement will do. It's just become evident that some measures will need to be taken to dissuade people from parking there.

[Sue]

  On 20/04/2025 at 17:09, LurkyMcLurker said:

People parking where they shouldn't doesn't take away from the overall good that widening the pavement will do. It's just become evident that some measures will need to be taken to dissuade people from parking there.

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Surely measures need to be taken to prevent people from parking there, not just dissuade them?

Or at least dissuade them by having a no parking sign and fining them if they ignore it?

There were two cars parked there when I passed this morning on my way to the station.

Surely they must be aware that they are not supposed to park there if they have to mount a curb to do so?

[LurkyMcLurker]

  On 20/04/2025 at 20:34, Sue said:

Surely they must be aware that they are not supposed to park there if they have to mount a curb to do so?

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They can explain it away with all sorts of nonsense. "There's no sign" or "I parked herejust two weeks ago" or "I only need to get milk".

The reality is they just don't care. Their convenience takes priority.

Edited April 21 by LurkyMcLurker

[personannrose]

  On 20/04/2025 at 20:34, Sue said:

Surely measures need to be taken to prevent people from parking there, not just dissuade them?

Or at least dissuade them by having a no parking sign and fining them if they ignore it?

There were two cars parked there when I passed this morning on my way to the station.

Surely they must be aware that they are not supposed to park there if they have to mount a curb to do so?

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There IS a sign near the entrance to M&S which says ‘Goods Loading Only’. It does not say that you can park there. However, if drivers are mounting the kerb they will have four wheels on the pavement and that should alert them to the fact they cannot park there. 

[Chrisam91]

Traffic backed up beyond Goose Green this morning due to the many roadworks in East Dulwich. I’m sure this is doing wonders for the clean air initiative.

[Earl Aelfheah]

  On 20/04/2025 at 13:13, Nigello said:

Three parked cars on the newly built out area - they mounted the kerb. What is the actual purpose of this if it’s to be immediately abused? 

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Needs clear signage, a camera, and some consistent enforcement. 

Edited April 25 by Earl Aelfheah

[Sue]

  On 25/04/2025 at 07:52, Chrisam91 said:

Traffic backed up beyond Goose Green this morning due to the many roadworks in East Dulwich. I’m sure this is doing wonders for the clean air initiative.

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How do you think this should be addressed?

Never doing any roadworks? 

Staggering the timing of the roadworks, even if they are urgent?

Better communication between the people responsible for the roadworks?

Increasing the cost of the roadworks by paying the workers a lot more to work only at night?

Encouraging people to give up their polluting vehicles and use other forms of transport? (Radical suggestion, I know).

Or some other way?

I'm really not trying to be awkward, the backed up traffic has affected me when travelling by bus, but I can't see an obvious solution.

I wasn't aware that there were "many" roadworks in ED at the moment, though.  I'm aware of the ones by The Grove and outside M&S, which are both causing holdups.

Where are the others?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Traffic was bad this morning, especially when half a dozen coaches joined the queue.

But they are temporary road works. It's not surprising there is traffic build up especially during rush hour; annoying, but somewhat par for the course. 

Does anyone know when the works are due to complete?

[Chrisam91]

  On 25/04/2025 at 08:56, Sue said:

How do you think this should be addressed?

Never doing any roadworks? 

Staggering the timing of the roadworks, even if they are urgent?

Better communication between the people responsible for the roadworks?

Increasing the cost of the roadworks by paying the workers a lot more to work only at night?

Encouraging people to give up their polluting vehicles and use other forms of transport? (Radical suggestion, I know).

Or some other way?

I'm really not trying to be awkward, the backed up traffic has affected me when travelling by bus, but I can't see an obvious solution.

I wasn't aware that there were "many" roadworks in ED at the moment, though.  I'm aware of the ones by The Grove and outside M&S, which are both causing holdups.

Where are the others?

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I agrees that roadworks are essential and staggering them is the best solution.

ED is not a big place and there are major roadworks at either end making it almost impassable at peak times of the day, on all forms of transport.

The amount of pollution being poured into the air before 9am and anytime between 4.30-6pm is appalling and god knows what you breathe in when you walk from one end of Lordship Lane to another.

There may have been a consultation between the companies that are doing the roadworks but given that they are both major works lasting months, I feel that more consideration should have been made, and one start shortly before the other one ends.

[Rockets]

There seems to be zero interest in trying to maintain free-flowing traffic anywhere in the area right now. The A205 side of Dulwich was diabolical today - it's almost as if the council and other planning authorities are happy to cause chaos - one of their famous "nudge" techniques so many on the pro-cycle lobby love to tout.

[Kathleen Olander]

  On 25/04/2025 at 08:56, Sue said:

I wasn't aware that there were "many" roadworks in ED at the moment, though.  I'm aware of the ones by The Grove and outside M&S, which are both causing holdups.

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East Dulwich Grove has been terrible for weeks,  There has been no-one working there since before Easter, I think the road works are finished and still there are temporary lights causing congestion four ways at the DV junction.

[malumbu]

  On 25/04/2025 at 10:03, Rockets said:

There seems to be zero interest in trying to maintain free-flowing traffic anywhere in the area right now. The A205 side of Dulwich was diabolical today - it's almost as if the council and other planning authorities are happy to cause chaos - one of their famous "nudge" techniques so many on the pro-cycle lobby love to tout.

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Why are you blaming pavement widening on cyclists?  If it was more bike lanes, secure bike parking and the like then that would be different.  Can you show me proof that the pavement widening is all due to LCC/Southwark Cyclists.  Being a member I'm not aware of any campaign.

[teddyboy23]

  On 25/04/2025 at 09:08, Earl Aelfheah said:

Traffic was bad this morning, especially when half a dozen coaches joined the queue.

But they are temporary road works. It's not surprising there is traffic build up especially during rush hour; annoying, but somewhat par for the course. 

Does anyone know when the works are due to complete?

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Some of the shop keepers down the grove.are saying the end of may?

[Earl Aelfheah]

I just came across this. Looks like there are several phases with the last one completing in July! https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/improving-streets-and-spaces/making-our-streets-greener/east-dulwich

[jazzer]

  On 25/04/2025 at 11:29, malumbu said:

Why are you blaming pavement widening on cyclists?  If it was more bike lanes, secure bike parking and the like then that would be different.  Can you show me proof that the pavement widening is all due to LCC/Southwark Cyclists.  Being a member I'm not aware of any campaign.

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cause installing cycle lanes narrows roads and slows traffic flow, the road is only so wide, so any widening of pavements into the road causes both chaos and long term congestion as a result.  

[Rockets]

  On 25/04/2025 at 11:29, malumbu said:

Why are you blaming pavement widening on cyclists? 

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I am not. I was saying that councils seem happy to create traffic nightmares by allowing multiple works to take place at the same time as part of the "nudge" tactics to get people out of cars, that deliberately stopping free-flowing traffic and making journeys a nightmare is part of their plans to get people out of cars.

Not one of the works on the A205, East Dulwich Grove or around Melbourne Grove are essential works yet all three are allowed to take place (ahem, at the end of the council budget year) without any consideration to the impact it would have on traffic across the area. Seems short-sighted at best, deliberately negligent at worst.

The impact is not just cars as buses have been hampered by the works on the A205 and local schools are concerned about the impact it may have on pupils during the forthcoming exam season.

[CPR Dave]

The works on Melbourne Grove are part of the Low Traffic Neighborhood scheme that cyclists campaigned for so vociferously. 

 

The bay outside M and S is a loading bay. It is intended to be used to park vehicles for loading, notwithstanding that it is raised. It has different paving to mark it out from the footpath and different curb stones that are angled to make it easier for vehicles to mount the curb, so they can park there and load.