Pavement widening outside M&S nr East Dulwich station...

[EDmummy101]

I won't bother grumbling about the traffic chaos the roadworks and temp traffic lights are causing (on top of LTN road closures meaning no side road plan B) but how does everyone feel about the pavement widening?

Surely will mean M&S delivery lorries now have to park and block half the road/ traffic and anyone disabled can no longer park right outside the store, albeit there is another store on Lordship Lane.

Seems a bit odd, not sure of the thinking behind this decision to block up the parking spaces and widen the pavement.

Anyone know more?

Thanks

[northernmonkey]

It was always meant to be a loading bay rather than parking spaces, but just got used for parking.  It still is a loading bay though. 

[march46]

Wider pavements are a good thing, and much needed given the high footfall near the station.

[jazzer]

Disagree - wider pavements result in narrower roads, slow journey times and more pollution. 

[alice]

If it’s still going to be used for delivery parking, why change the surface? ££££££

[first mate]

It's yet another example of the endless meddling to ill effect.

[LurkyMcLurker]

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Surely will mean M&S delivery lorries now have to park and block half the road/ traffic and anyone disabled can no longer park right outside the store, albeit there is another store on Lordship Lane.

It seems way more likely they'd park the lorry right next to the shop on Railway Rise. How did you come to the conclusion they'll simply block half the road?

Ultimately I think this is a good change. More space for people walking around the station. I commute to/from work via ED and a lot of people exit the station and turn right towards lordship lane. Even beyond the daily commuters there's all the students from the nearby secondary school and any time there's a DHFC match it gets busy.



 

[Angelina]

Traffic bottleneck

[ed_pete]

Just wait until the works start on builders merchants redevelopment - which I'm guessing will take 3+ years - carnage on railway rise with the constant to-ing and fro-ing of lorries. Woe betide M&S if they block it with their deliveries...

[LurkyMcLurker]

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Just wait until the works start on builders merchants redevelopment - which I'm guessing will take 3+ years - carnage on railway rise with the constant to-ing and fro-ing of lorries. Woe betide M&S if they block it with their deliveries...

Yes we'll all be shaking in our boots at the sight of the constant CARNAGE.

[KalamityKel]

"Carnage"?  Has there been a death?! 😶

Isn't the work meant to be to do with the "streets for people" project?

https://services.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/street-improvements/east-dulwich-streets-for-people

[first mate]

Looking at this it seems like maximum interference for minimal return. How long will the works take, I wonder, and with what level of disruption? 

 

[march46]

Failing to see how some people can be unhappy with planting, trees, SUDs, seating, significant pedestrian improvements including a new zebra crossing to name but a few of the public realm improvements. 

[Cyclemonkey]

Ha!  Have you met the people on this forum? The Council could announce a free kitten and £100 in cash for every resident and one of the resident Mr Toads here on here would  complain it was a plot to make life difficult for motorists. 

[LurkyMcLurker]

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Looking at this it seems like maximum interference for minimal return. How long will the works take, I wonder, and with what level of disruption? 

The area has a high level of pedestrian traffic from people commuting to work and students to the local secondary school. What do you mean "minimal return"? For you personally?

[Penguin68]

Students don't pay council tax so they will be living on an area to which they make no contribution,other than probably quite low levels of profitability for local businesses and some VAT and possibly tobacco and alcohol duty. Those tax payments go to Central not local government. 

[first mate]

I find it quite amusing that having turned the South of Melbourne Grove into an LTN, there is now concern about hordes of commuter and student pedestrians not having enough room to walk. Mind you, if that were true why put in a series of parklets, surely those will be taking up much needed pavement space and with this huge volume of pedestrians moving around how ever will people safely stop and socialise?
 

No problem with pedestrian crossings. 

[march46]

The pavement widening is along the main road, not within the LTN. 

[first mate]

What does location C show? A chunk of road on Melbourne Grove South is to be raised and built over to make it 'easier' for pedestrians. It is effectively widening the pavement. Is this to be known as Melbourne Square in future?

Using parklets to narrow roads, and in one case remove a dropping off point, is a nice bit of environmental virtue signalling that looks good on paper, but let's see how it works out in practice.

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[LurkyMcLurker]

1 hour ago, first mate said:

What does location C show? A chunk of road on Melbourne Grove South is to be raised and built over to make it 'easier' for pedestrians. It is effectively widening the pavement. Is this to be known as Melbourne Square in future?

Using parklets to narrow roads, and in one case remove a dropping off point, is a nice bit of environmental virtue signalling that looks good on paper, but let's see how it works out in practice.

This thread isn't about Melbourne Grove south. Keep it on topic please. We're talking about the works at East Dulwich station. There's a thread with 9 pages on that topic in this forum, surely we're not adding any new insight by talking about it here.

I went and looked at the proposal online for what's happening at the station.

To me, the biggest points of the works at the station are the following two points from here:https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/improving-streets-and-spaces/making-our-streets-greener/east-dulwich

 

• extending the footway over side roads with access maintained for cyclists and emergency vehicles at junctions with Melbourne Grove, Derwent Grove and Elsie Road
• a modal filter allowing cyclists and emergency vehicles only

I often see people talking about the challenges to ambulances as a key objection to these sorts of changes. As people have now gotten used to the roads not being accessible for everyday drivers, surely this is a net positive?

Edited 10 hours ago by LurkyMcLurker

[first mate]

Melbourne Grove S is literally right next to the station, you have just mentioned it yourself. 

 As to whether people have 'gotten used to' the road being blocked off to traffic, I beg to differ. I think they just have no choice but to work with it, as that decision was made for us, not really with us.

The document shows works along much of the main route into ED. Do you think this will not cause disruption? That is on top of all the other ongoing roadworks? That is why I asked if anyone knew the timeframe for all this to be completed?

Edited 9 hours ago by first mate

[march46]

The work is looking great so far. Conways are cracking through it quickly and to the same high finish that they did in Dulwich Village. 

[alice]

There were far more important things to spend such money on.  

[Earl Aelfheah]

20 hours ago, Penguin68 said:

Students don't pay council tax so they will be living on an area to which they make no contribution,other than probably quite low levels of profitability for local businesses and some VAT and possibly tobacco and alcohol duty. Those tax payments go to Central not local government. 

Yeh, down with kids. They don't contribute financially, so really, what use are they? 🤣

[alice]

There’s 10,000 people on the house in waiting list in southwark I don’t think any of them are students