Derelict Grove Tavern - who to contact?

[ab29]

6 hours ago, ab29 said:

Oh that is interesting.

@Andy Simmons you have been the local Labour councillour for years and years and years so you must be aware of this.

"The Grove saga should be coming to an end soon as the lease from the owners - The Dulwich Estate - held by Stonegate Pubs should run out this year. The group recently found financial backers to help with its £2.2 billion debt" - who are these backers?

"The Estate refuses to reveal anything about their plans for the site citing commercial confidentiality. But they have had many years to plan for the lease ending" - what are the plans, do you know? Why is it a secret? 

"However they spent  three years refurbishing  The Crown and Greyhound aka The Dog in Dulwich Village so don’t hold your breath for anything to happen to The Grove  in the near future!"

Three years to refurbish a pub 🤔

 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

9 hours ago, ab29 said:

Oh that is interesting.

@Andy Simmons you have been the local Labour councillour for years and years and years so you must be aware of this.

"The Grove saga should be coming to an end soon as the lease from the owners - The Dulwich Estate - held by Stonegate Pubs should run out this year. The group recently found financial backers to help with its £2.2 billion debt" - who are these backers?

"The Estate refuses to reveal anything about their plans for the site citing commercial confidentiality. But they have had many years to plan for the lease ending" - what are the plans, do you know? Why is it a secret? 

"However they spent  three years refurbishing  The Crown and Greyhound aka The Dog in Dulwich Village so don’t hold your breath for anything to happen to The Grove  in the near future!"

Three years to refurbish a pub 🤔

Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the guy who posted the rumours for the source of the information?

The Crown & Greyhound refurb was a big job - not surprising that it took longer than just a simple repainting. But renovating the Grove would be even bigger because it's totally wrecked, and there's a shortage of skilled labour and much more expensive materials now...

[hfoster]

It's also arguably a bit of a netherzone, not quite Dulwich, not quite Forest Hill. I don't think any pub will do particularly well without supporting businesses nearby. I think the best we're going to get is a block of flats with a commercial unit underneath, which will undoubtedly probably be a Tesco Metro.  

[Sue]

2 hours ago, hfoster said:

It's also arguably a bit of a netherzone, not quite Dulwich, not quite Forest Hill. I don't think any pub will do particularly well without supporting businesses nearby. I think the best we're going to get is a block of flats with a commercial unit underneath, which will undoubtedly probably be a Tesco Metro.  

I would have agreed, but the pub which was there previously seemed to do alright?

It might work the other way round, that if a pub was there the nearby businesses (eg the plant/flower  shop) might actually get more custom?

Admittedly that bar which was briefly on the corner of Melford (?) Road didn't do very well, but I think that was for different reasons.

[PickledPorcupine]

Id like to see the temporary skate park closed off and got rid of now, its getting too cringey listening to do gooders who own £1.5 million houses crow about 'how amazing it is that some local teenagers turned an unused area into a fantastic community hub' etc etc...they probably wouldnt say that if they lived beside it. 

Ideally we would have a Wetherspoons in its place so that those without huge salaries and mortgage free high value propreties (paid off with inheritance money) could have somewhere to go for cheap food and drink. Nowhere like that exists in Dulwich and the loss of The Capitol still resonates with the local hoi polloi. Unlikely to happen of course, since Spoons are now concentrating on opening pubs beside train stations and charging double the price for a pint compared to the usual Zone 3 neighbourhood Wetherpoons pub. 

 

[jazzer]

Sounds like a dose of severe sour grapes.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

4 hours ago, PickledPorcupine said:

cheap food and drink. Nowhere like that exists in Dulwich and the loss of The Capitol still resonates

The Castle

The Hill (just a few steps up from The Capitol site)

Royal British Legion club

You're welcome.

[CPR Dave]

The Dulwich Fox too. Get a bit of exercise in walking up Green Dale to get there and feel smug thst you have earned your cheap cheap delicious pint.