Derelict Grove Tavern - who to contact?

[ab29]

6 hours ago, ab29 said:

Oh that is interesting.

@Andy Simmons you have been the local Labour councillour for years and years and years so you must be aware of this.

"The Grove saga should be coming to an end soon as the lease from the owners - The Dulwich Estate - held by Stonegate Pubs should run out this year. The group recently found financial backers to help with its £2.2 billion debt" - who are these backers?

"The Estate refuses to reveal anything about their plans for the site citing commercial confidentiality. But they have had many years to plan for the lease ending" - what are the plans, do you know? Why is it a secret? 

"However they spent  three years refurbishing  The Crown and Greyhound aka The Dog in Dulwich Village so don’t hold your breath for anything to happen to The Grove  in the near future!"

Three years to refurbish a pub 🤔

 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

9 hours ago, ab29 said:

Oh that is interesting.

@Andy Simmons you have been the local Labour councillour for years and years and years so you must be aware of this.

"The Grove saga should be coming to an end soon as the lease from the owners - The Dulwich Estate - held by Stonegate Pubs should run out this year. The group recently found financial backers to help with its £2.2 billion debt" - who are these backers?

"The Estate refuses to reveal anything about their plans for the site citing commercial confidentiality. But they have had many years to plan for the lease ending" - what are the plans, do you know? Why is it a secret? 

"However they spent  three years refurbishing  The Crown and Greyhound aka The Dog in Dulwich Village so don’t hold your breath for anything to happen to The Grove  in the near future!"

Three years to refurbish a pub 🤔

Wouldn't it make more sense to ask the guy who posted the rumours for the source of the information?

The Crown & Greyhound refurb was a big job - not surprising that it took longer than just a simple repainting. But renovating the Grove would be even bigger because it's totally wrecked, and there's a shortage of skilled labour and much more expensive materials now...

[hfoster]

It's also arguably a bit of a netherzone, not quite Dulwich, not quite Forest Hill. I don't think any pub will do particularly well without supporting businesses nearby. I think the best we're going to get is a block of flats with a commercial unit underneath, which will undoubtedly probably be a Tesco Metro.  

[Sue]

2 hours ago, hfoster said:

It's also arguably a bit of a netherzone, not quite Dulwich, not quite Forest Hill. I don't think any pub will do particularly well without supporting businesses nearby. I think the best we're going to get is a block of flats with a commercial unit underneath, which will undoubtedly probably be a Tesco Metro.  

I would have agreed, but the pub which was there previously seemed to do alright?

It might work the other way round, that if a pub was there the nearby businesses (eg the plant/flower  shop) might actually get more custom?

Admittedly that bar which was briefly on the corner of Melford (?) Road didn't do very well, but I think that was for different reasons.