Southwark consultation on Peckham gyratory

[Earl Aelfheah]

55 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

2 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

So in summary, people want to discourage bicycles.

Has anyone, anywhere on these pages, argued that.?

I mean, obviously I'm paraphrasing and using a little comedic licence, but it's not far off:

6 hours ago, Happyme5 said:

I do not wish for cyclists to have more routes   crossing the road is impossible already.  Cyclists seem to think they can just take over roads

There are people saying they don't want bike lanes. and all over this section, suggesting that cyclists represent an almost unique and singular danger to pedestrians (obviously they can pose a danger, but one that is several orders of magnitude smaller than that posed by motor vehicles, which people seem to be completely blind to).

And of course, the same people obsessed with speed limits for pedal bikes, are the same that complain about police enforcement in relations to motor vehicles.

Edited Tuesday at 16:21 by Earl Aelfheah

[Happyme5]

It is simply my opinion that I feel is an important view in planning road development.   Legislation can be used in a positive way to protect all.   We all deserve to be safe 🙏 

[first mate]

5 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

I mean, obviously I'm paraphrasing and using a little comedic licence, but it's not far off:

There are people saying they don't want bike lanes. and all over this section, suggesting that cyclists represent an almost unique and singular danger to pedestrians (obviously they can pose a danger, but one that is several orders of magnitude smaller than that posed by motor vehicles, which people seem to be completely blind to).

And of course, the same people obsessed with speed limits for pedal bikes, are the same that complain about police enforcement in relations to motor vehicles.

I think using comedic licence to spread distortions of what has actually been expressed is just spreading lies with a smiley face.

Which posters have said they don't want any enforcement against cars that break the law, but do want enforcement against bicycles? 

Who has said they only want speed limits for pedal bikes?

Perhaps you were just insinuating all that for comedic value too?

Edited Tuesday at 21:48 by first mate

[Penguin68]

On 18/02/2025 at 16:02, malumbu said:

So do you also think that there should be no new cycle paths until cycling standards improve?

No, I don't think cyclist behaviour should be a criterion. But I do believe that cycle lanes, which occupy limited road space exclusively, should be allocated based on volumes of usage, especially for routes which do not reflect main commuter routes, and additionally, where there are cycle lanes then cyclists should be restricted to use those only, and not additionally spill out into lanes used by powered users. Oh dear, restricting cyclists - that won't go down well... 

[jazzer]

The least used cycle lane which I've seen is the one that runs along Sydenham from the roundabout at the top of the hill with the junction of Kirkdale to the other end with the junction of Crystal Palace Parade. I have never seen a single cyclist use it, what an absolute waste, of infrastructure and money. Seems some have no common sense and just follow the lead of oh, let's put a cycle lane in, even though no one will use it. Utterly ridiculous. Well done Lewisham Council, who I presume are responsible for it. All it actually does is reduce valuable road space and slow down traffic. 

And if the intention is to slow traffic to a snail pace, mission succeeded, if it is to annoy and frustrate other road users and passengers, mission accomplished. Did it save a life or make a difference, no, it's just inconvenient to everyone else. 

[Moovart]

3 hours ago, jazzer said:

The least used cycle lane which I've seen is the one that runs along Sydenham from the roundabout at the top of the hill with the junction of Kirkdale to the other end with the junction of Crystal Palace Parade. I have never seen a single cyclist use it, what an absolute waste, of infrastructure and money. Seems some have no common sense and just follow the lead of oh, let's put a cycle lane in, even though no one will use it. Utterly ridiculous. Well done Lewisham Council, who I presume are responsible for it.

Sydenham Hill is under Southwark, rather than Lewisham, all the way to the roundabout at Crystal Palace parade.