Southwark consultation on Peckham gyratory

[Marguerita98]

Is anyone aware of the potential impact of the plans (to close off one road on the triangle to cyclists and restrict traffic on the other side) on East Dulwich Road and Goose Green?  

It seems to me that there will be a large volume of traffic displacement (including lorries) through East Dulwich and Lordship Lane particularly at busy times, as a result.  Link to consultation and the survey here:

 https://engage.southwark.gov.uk/en-GB/projects/peckham-rye-gyratory-bus-improvements

[malumbu]

You will have to explain this one to me, it looks to be improving bus and bike journeys, which is a good thing.  Traffic is always backed up the Rye during rush hour/term times, having used this route to commute for two decades by bike.  I'd welcome safer bike journeys.

I'll have a longer look later.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Just re-read the document. So they're making the east side of Peckham rye buses only? Is that likely to impact lordship lane?

I'm in favour of the extended pavements, safer crossings and segregated bike lanes. I imagine that making the east side of the rye a fast bus route will improve journey times too.

Edited 21 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Spartacus]

The biggest impact will be the current lack of ability to turn right from Peckham Rye to Nunhead Lane.

The current run od traffic from Forest Hill road direction is either enter the gyratory, and either go along Peckham Rye East side to turm left into Nunhead lane or go into Copeland Road. 

Putting a timed bus gate in the section before Nigel Road and the buses only on the East side will then necessitate either allowing right turns at the corner of Peckham Rye into Nunhead Lane or as the OP pointed out, traffic will divert down via goose green roundabout to either go up to Nunhead or via Dog Kennel Hill to get to North of Peckham. 

The unintended impact could be more congestion and pollution in Rast Dulwich as a result. 

 

[alice]

Surely there’s computer programs or model what will happen if various avenues are blocked?

[ontheRye]

58 minutes ago, Spartacus said:

The biggest impact will be the current lack of ability to turn right from Peckham Rye to Nunhead Lane.

The current run od traffic from Forest Hill road direction is either enter the gyratory, and either go along Peckham Rye East side to turm left into Nunhead lane or go into Copeland Road. 

Putting a timed bus gate in the section before Nigel Road and the buses only on the East side will then necessitate either allowing right turns at the corner of Peckham Rye into Nunhead Lane or as the OP pointed out, traffic will divert down via goose green roundabout to either go up to Nunhead or via Dog Kennel Hill to get to North of Peckham. 

The unintended impact could be more congestion and pollution in Rast Dulwich as a result. 

 

It’s a peak hour bus lane in the section before Nigel Road, west side, not a bus gate, so shouldn’t impact normal traffic heading north from FH Road 

Edited 18 hours ago by ontheRye

[CPR Dave]

Those ominous words that always mean an expensive carbuncle:

"pubic realm improvements"

...

[malumbu]

It looks great and I wish it had been put in place many years ago.  A few car parking spaces lost, but there is a fair amount of parking in Peckham but why would you want to drive there?  I'll be responding positively. I doubt whether there are rat runs, as most will have long since been blocked off.    Colyton Road is a horrid road to drive down, unless you really have to.  There is probably some anecdote about lazy dog walkers driving there to go round the Rye, rather than walking but no evidence.  As so many seem to hate dogs in the Rye and park may be a good thing to introduce a CPZ on Colyton.

[jazzer]

4 hours ago, Spartacus said:

The biggest impact will be the current lack of ability to turn right from Peckham Rye to Nunhead Lane.

The current run od traffic from Forest Hill road direction is either enter the gyratory, and either go along Peckham Rye East side to turm left into Nunhead lane or go into Copeland Road. 

Putting a timed bus gate in the section before Nigel Road and the buses only on the East side will then necessitate either allowing right turns at the corner of Peckham Rye into Nunhead Lane or as the OP pointed out, traffic will divert down via goose green roundabout to either go up to Nunhead or via Dog Kennel Hill to get to North of Peckham. 

The unintended impact could be more congestion and pollution in Rast Dulwich as a result. 

 

Think you may mean Left and not Right, unless you are meaning the otherside of Peckham Rye coming from the direction of Colyton Road

[wolis]

Planners always seem to forget that people who have to drive for work etc. will find a way round these obstacles.  I drove in and around Central London from the early 70s until a few years ago.  I was a specialist carpenter needing a van. I knew all the rat runs and when slowly they got cut off in the early 2000's I found alternatives.  The idea that blocking off one way would make me give up driving  or working was ridiculous.Traffic is like water - it will find a way .

[malumbu]

Yes, you needed to drive for work.  That is not true for many journeys where you can use public transport, walk, cycle and for many now on office jobs, and even some on site, you don't need to travel at all and can meet remotely.  This week I have cycled for work to Vauxhall and it is lovely as the private schools are off.  No morning congestion around the Harvester.  Even quieter next week when the state schools are off.  Which always begs the question how many children really have to be driven to school 

That said I don't see any issues with displacement for this scheme.  Do enlighten me why people will need to change their route.

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, jazzer said:

Think you may mean Left and not Right, unless you are meaning the otherside of Peckham Rye coming from the direction of Colyton Road

Yes, the barry Road side of Peckham Rye, where if you want to go to Nunhead there is no right turn towards Nunhead Lane 

[FredCasa]

Any views on how this would affect bus journeys, particularly for 63/12/19 197? 

[Rockets]

Didn't they try to do this when they were going LTN mad after lockdown? Is this the rehashed version of that (which Phase was it) which I think was dropped when someone worked out it was going to be a displacement disaster

2 hours ago, malumbu said:

This week I have cycled for work to Vauxhall and it is lovely as the private schools are off. 

Which private schools are off as the ones near me were full of kids today?

[malumbu]

I don't understand why you need to challenge what I am reporting, what I have witnessed with my own eyes, not what I have seen on line, or what I perceive to support your entrenched views.  I have cycled most days of this week.  The roads are quieter.  I expect that Dulwich College, Dulwich Prep, and Rosemead are off.  Have a cycle in the area tomorrow during school drop off times and then give me your views.  I've not cycled on Townley so can't can't comment on  JAGS and Alleyn's.  The Village was quiet too.

Let's face it you have nothing substantial to say.  From my perspective you resort to snide comments. 

Edited 7 hours ago by malumbu

[Rockets]

You said cycling was lovely because private schools are off. They’re not. You’re wrong. You are clearly trying to lean in to that ludicrous claim that private schools are the sole reason for traffic issues in the area.  Do some fact checking…..