Advice wanted re my laptop 😭

[Sue]

OK, I have been extremely stupid.

This is a long and sorry saga, so unless you are into schadenfreude,  or know about laptops and might actually be able to help, you probably need to stop reading here.

I got a new laptop last May, with a 2 year guarantee from John Lewis (that was my first mistake, but the laptop met all my requirements at a very good price).

I hate OneDrive, and I  had been using Carbonite for backing up files. 

When I got the new laptop, the files from my old laptop which had been backed up on Carbonite were downloaded onto it.

For tedious reasons originally related to problems with my old laptop, files and folders were duplicated all over the place. Sorting this out wasn't top of my priorities.

In an attempt to at least keep new files,  and files edited since I bought the laptop, in one place and completely separate from all the old duplicated  files, I saved them all into folders  on the SSD.

However, I didn't restart the Carbonite backup, because my intention was to sort out all the duplicate files first.

About a fortnight ago, I bought an external hard drive. My intention was to copy everything on the new laptop onto it before I started deleting any of the duplicate files.

I hadn't done that yet because I had to finish doing my accounts and then do my online tax return. So the copying was next on my To Do list.

The inevitable happened. Out of the blue, my laptop went into complete meltdown. I was editing a spreadsheet and went into settings to turn the brightness up. I checked the brightness was ok on the spreadsheet, came out of settings, and suddenly everything went black.

I did all the obvious things, then googled other possible fixes, including specific to my laptop model, but nothing worked.

On starting the laptop, the Lenovo logo came up, the little white circle turned round, the red light for face recognition flashed, then zilch.  But clearly it wasn't a problem with the physical screen, as it displayed the logo.

It wouldn't start in safe mode either.

I thought I might either have accidentally changed some setting, or else it might be connected with a recent update 

I couldn't try some of the tests suggested, eg removing RAM, because anything involving physically unscrewing my laptop would invalidate the guarantee 

I am a member of Which Tech, so I contacted them. Obviously their hands were rather tied as they couldn't connect remotely to the laptop as there was no display.

They said I couldn't have clicked on some other setting by mistake, as the display section only related to the display.

They said they thought it was probably an issue with either the operating system or the mother board, or a component of them. They said it should be possible to identify the fault without losing my data.

Given the involvement of John Lewis, I said I thought this was unlikely, as they had once told me to do an unnecessary factory reset on my old laptop and told me this wouldn't lose my data, which I had queried at the time,  and had to pay me compensation.

So at this point I phoned John Lewis, to be told a repair would take "up to 28 working days" and no they wouldn't supply a replacement laptop during that time.

I decided to take the laptop to John Lewis rather than have it collected, so their tech people could look at it first.

So then the JL tech person said I must have clicked on  Bitlocker by mistake and locked myself out out of the laptop.

I thought this was highly unlikely. Anyway, pursuing this line of thought did not help, and she was still unable to get into it by putting in the Bitlocker code.

So then we had the data saving conversation. She said the company the laptop would go to was approved by Lenovo. She said they would do a factory reset first regardless. I said could they not try to identify the fault first. She said no. I said could I not request that they did. She said no.

She said I could pay £150 for data retrieval, which could be done first. She said it would require removing the hard drive. She said if anybody else did this it would invalidate the guarantee.

So. I have brought the laptop home to think things over. But I'm not willing to pay £150,  because the important files I can reconstruct by other means, and I have hard copies of most of them, it's just a time consuming pain.

I have contacted Carbonite to see if they have any way of backing up the non backed up data even though I can't get into the laptop.

If you have managed to reach the end of this post, congratulations 🤣 and do you have any bright ideas?

I have typed all this on my mobile. It has taken a very very long time 🤣

Edited Wednesday at 15:01 by Sue

[vladi]

You are seeing the Lenovo logo because that  is generated by the system's firmware, known as the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) This is part of the Power-On Self-Test (POST) process, which checks basic hardware functionality.

If the system fails to proceed past the logo screen, it could indicate that the BIOS/UEFI cannot locate or access the bootable operating system. This is often due to:

 If the drive has failed then  the BIOS won't find the necessary files to load the OS.

 Even if the SSD is operational, bootloader corruption could cause the same issue.

 Misconfigured boot order or settings in the BIOS/UEFI might prevent booting.

  Diagnosing SSD Failure:

To confirm whether the SSD is the problem:

Enter the BIOS/UEFI settings (usually by pressing a key like F2, DEL, or ESC during startup).

Check if the SSD is detected in the storage or boot section.

Run any available diagnostics tools in the BIOS.

If the SSD isn't recognized, it's likely failed or has a loose connection.

Alternatively, you can boot the system using a live USB or external OS to verify SSD accessibility.

[Sue]

17 hours ago, vladi said:

You are seeing the Lenovo logo because that  is generated by the system's firmware, known as the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System) This is part of the Power-On Self-Test (POST) process, which checks basic hardware functionality.

If the system fails to proceed past the logo screen, it could indicate that the BIOS/UEFI cannot locate or access the bootable operating system. This is often due to:

 If the drive has failed then  the BIOS won't find the necessary files to load the OS.

 Even if the SSD is operational, bootloader corruption could cause the same issue.

 Misconfigured boot order or settings in the BIOS/UEFI might prevent booting.

  Diagnosing SSD Failure:

To confirm whether the SSD is the problem:

Enter the BIOS/UEFI settings (usually by pressing a key like F2, DEL, or ESC during startup).

Check if the SSD is detected in the storage or boot section.

Run any available diagnostics tools in the BIOS.

If the SSD isn't recognized, it's likely failed or has a loose connection.

Alternatively, you can boot the system using a live USB or external OS to verify SSD accessibility.

Thanks Vladi, I will look into this.

[Sue]

However I don't understand how I could check if the SSD is detected without being able to see anything on the screen?

Or how I could run any diagnostic tools without being able to see anything on the screen?

[vladi]

On most Lenovos, one needs to press the F1 key repeatedly ( say at half second intervals) immediately the Lenovo logo appears.  

If the above does not let you in try  press the Enter key at the Lenovo logo. There may be a press Enter to Interrupt message on the screen. This may cause the Startup Interrupt Menu to appear. Pressing F1 at the Startup Interrupt Menu will cause the computer to enter BIOS.

Once you get in then you can see if the SSD is detected in the storage or boot section.

Run any available diagnostics tools in the BIOS.

If the SSD isn't recognized, it's likely failed or has a loose connection.
Check for boot errors, If it says "No Boot Device Found" or something similar, then it means it cannot find the operating system on the SSD which probably means the is a major SSD issue

The BIOS is a hyper-sensitive area so I suggest being careful about not changing any settings. To be safe, it is best to exit the bios by not saving any changes if you are in any doubt

[Sue]

57 minutes ago, vladi said:

On most Lenovos, one needs to press the F1 key repeatedly ( say at half second intervals) immediately the Lenovo logo appears.  

If the above does not let you in try  press the Enter key at the Lenovo logo. There may be a press Enter to Interrupt message on the screen. This may cause the Startup Interrupt Menu to appear. Pressing F1 at the Startup Interrupt Menu will cause the computer to enter BIOS.

Once you get in then you can see if the SSD is detected in the storage or boot section.

Run any available diagnostics tools in the BIOS.

If the SSD isn't recognized, it's likely failed or has a loose connection.
Check for boot errors, If it says "No Boot Device Found" or something similar, then it means it cannot find the operating system on the SSD which probably means the is a major SSD issue

The BIOS is a hyper-sensitive area so I suggest being careful about not changing any settings. To be safe, it is best to exit the bios by not saving any changes if you are in any doubt

Thanks Vladi, I will try this.

I was very unimpressed by the John Lewis tech attempts, but unfortunately not surprised.

However whatever I do, the outcome  is likely to be that whatever is wrong it will need repairing, and as the laptop is under guarantee I don't want to do anything which could invalidate the guarantee, as something else could go wrong once this is fixed (it's a two year guarantee).

The thing that most annoys me about the way they go about things is just starting off with a factory reset. It's not just losing the data, it's having to reinstall everything that was on there, and reset all the settings etc 🤬

It just seems a lazy way forward to me. 

At least I have only lost recent data, all my historic data is backed up on Carbonite, albeit mostly duplicated. Carbonite say they have no way of accessing my laptop under the circumstances.

Stable doors and bolting horses, but I am presently  putting all the stuff from my old Dell  laptop onto the external hard drive, just as a precaution in case I somehow lose the Carbonite backup.

The Dell still works, just mostly very very slowly, but randomly  speeds up 🤣

[vladi]

How did you get on with trying to get into the BIOS?

[Sue]

2 hours ago, vladi said:

How did you get on with trying to get into the BIOS?

Haven't tried yet, sorry, wasn't feeling on top form, going to look at it tomorrow morning (Saturday).