march46 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Or the most likely option is it’s simply an error (as that bit of Calton Ave is resident permit only) and the sign needs replacing to remove the mention of a 1 hr max. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 If it's an error who is signing this stuff off....didn't the Townley one have a timing error on it too when they first went in with the bus gate? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) On 10/01/2025 at 21:12, march46 said: Or the most likely option is it’s simply an error (as that bit of Calton Ave is resident permit only) and the sign needs replacing to remove the mention of a 1 hr max. My strong belief (in general, but with Southwark Council in particular) is that things like this are nearly always the result of incompetence rather than conspiracy. Edited January 13 by Earl Aelfheah 2 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march46 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The good news is the signs on Calton Ave have been amended to remove the mention of a 1 hour max. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt_Lane Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) There was a sea of parking fines on windscreens this morning on Calton Avenue. Edited January 15 by Kurt_Lane Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Yes the council revenue-generation, sorry, enforcement teams are circling every day now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPR Dave Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Need them to raise money to pay for the corrected road signs no doubt. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 We still don't know much about where much of this surplus revenue is going? Have not been able to get a breakdown yet. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Are those signs (that have now been amended) the only signs notifying people that they are entering a CPZ? I saw the one at DV end above the beacon for the crossing and could not see any others. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyman Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Kurt_Lane said: There was a sea of parking fines on windscreens this morning on Calton Avenue. Yes, three is the record so far. What are the rules if your car is parked somewhere unrestricted and then a CPZ is brought in while you are away? Asking for my friend Giles who parked his Cortina in an Athens side street in 1986 and hasn't had time to collect it yet. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 A mate of mine left his car in Cambridge and had it impounded. He was quite proud that the local rag featured it as running up a ginormous fine. That was in the 1990s, perhaps it is still there Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glemham Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 5 hours ago, Rockets said: Are those signs (that have now been amended) the only signs notifying people that they are entering a CPZ? I saw the one at DV end above the beacon for the crossing and could not see any others. Yes, see my post with photos from January 8th. The two signs have now been amended to remove the ‘one hour only’ notice. I understand that in nearby Gilkes Crescent which is now a CPZ as requested by the residents, the signage is the same. Rumour has it that Southwark has outsourced the ‘design’ of these CPZ areas to a private company. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I had a look earlier and those can't be the only signage they are putting in surely? Two tiny signs well out of eye sight and natural eye-line if you are driving and then no other signage for the length of the road and no bays marked out. Surely not? There must be something else planned? If that's it then I defy anyone to try and defend the council on this rollout and not agree that this has been designed to catch people out. Loads of cars have been plastered with PCNs and are those warning letters or PCNs that trigger warning letters in the first few weeks? Regardless, a lot of people get very upset getting parking tickets and repeatedly putting tickets on the same car day after day seems ludicrous and could cause someone returning to their car a lot of distress, especially as if they are not parked adjacent to the two tiny signs (and thinking oh did I check the sign way above eye-line on the pole) they would have no idea they are in a CPZ. 21 minutes ago, Glemham said: Rumour has it that Southwark has outsourced the ‘design’ of these CPZ areas to a private company Ha ha, that already sounds like the council trying to find someone else to blame for the "oversights". Ultimately someone from the council has to sign this off and they have to accept responsibility if anything goes wrong (they won't of course). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyman Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) The record is now four... Also the sign at the Woodwarde Road junction with Calton is possibly even better hidden than the one at the Townley end. And there are no bays indicated by lines (except the disabled bays), which would usually be a hint to go and check the signs. (where my mother lived in Essex for example, you couldn't park on her road between 1pm & 2pm and there were yellow lines all the way down the street, so you'd always check the signs) Edited January 16 by sandyman 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1693999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 They have to be adding more signage as if you were driving there is no way you would see that sign - especially as your attention has to be on the crossing and in a car the sign is so high-up you would not be able to see it. There are none of the usual council signs saying any further work is due to take place - do any of the council-fans know whether this is still work in progress - I would have expected someone to have jumped to the council's defence by now from those who are close to the council and their plans? 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyman Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Rockets said: They have to be adding more signage as if you were driving there is no way you would see that sign - especially as your attention has to be on the crossing and in a car the sign is so high-up you would not be able to see it. There are none of the usual council signs saying any further work is due to take place - do any of the council-fans know whether this is still work in progress - I would have expected someone to have jumped to the council's defence by now from those who are close to the council and their plans? Shouldn't all works be done before a CPZ can go live? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 No, you want to try and catch out as many unwitting drivers as possible before word gets round and signage is improved. It is a must to monetise confusion and ambiguity, while the option is there. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 You would expect so - especially if they are ticketing cars with such frequency. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glemham Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Until next Monday the tickets are warnings, fining in earnest starts on Monday. If you don’t know the area, have been driving sensibly and not looking up at signs that require you to get out of your vehicle to read them and park in Calton during the proscribed hours, would you have a valid reason to appeal? Please could someone/anyone from the Council explain the rationale behind this system? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Perhaps it's a revenue-generating trap - (cue council apologists any second now....) What I don't understand is that on Townley there are repeater boards making it very clear parking times and hours and clear road markings which would be very difficult to miss. This is Cllrs Newens and Leemings patch isn't it? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt_Lane Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) The parking zone does not appear to agree with the Southwark website as this new parking zone does not have bays. Notably, it also does not have big entry signs that older zones appear to have had. CPZ signs Our newest controlled parking zones do not have entry signs or single yellow lines. In these areas, the kerb is either marked with: a parking bay, where you can park double yellow lines, where you cannot park This makes parking rules clearer and avoids the need for big entry signs. Other zones have at least one entry sign. The law says this sign only needs to be on one side of the road. We do not need to put entry signs between zones with the same hours. Edited January 16 by Kurt_Lane Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march46 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 See Restricted Parking Zone https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/places-park/restricted-parking-zones 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Hang on, so are you saying this isn't in fact a CPZ but a RPZ? Did we not have a consultation on CPZs - were RPZs ever mentioned? I am sorry but if those two signs are the only notification that you are entering a CPZ/RPZ and you can get fined for parking there then that is an absolute joke and clearly designed to generate revenue by not making it clear. If this is the case then how the council get away with this is beyond me. It's entrapment. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt_Lane Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 42 minutes ago, march46 said: See Restricted Parking Zone https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/places-park/restricted-parking-zones Thanks! It still reads that bay markings are required. Possibly these have yet to be done locally but I hope they are added before penalties start being applied. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glemham Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Have no recollection of any mention of RPZs by the Dulwich Village Councillors, Margy Newens and Richard Leeming. This is very definitely their patch. Again if you are a stranger to the area how are you supposed to know that you can’t park there at certain times. How would you know where to go for a permit? Are RPZs the future? I do like the irony that it’s to minimalise the need for too many signs and street furniture, when not a million yards away at the junction there’s a plethora of signs and cycle racks ………… Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/355006-cpz-in-dulwich-village-ward-to-go-live-on-january-6/page/9/#findComment-1694065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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