Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[jazzer]

To answer the original question, YES, Reeves has become the new Liz Truss. Now don't get me wrong, Truss was as mad as a hatter, but Reeves, she steals the biscuit. In the next couple of years, and that's if she survives that long, you'll see just how much damage her, Rayner and Starmer have done to this country. Three million other people also think this Govt is pants and want rid. And yes, Kemi did batter Starmer, so much so he was clinching his butt cheeks cause ne knew he'd been found out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkPqybdOhMA

 

Edited December 12 by jazzer

[Rockets]

Now WASPI women are upset...this government is lurching from one disaster to another....I am starting to wonder if they are ever going to be able to recover...it seems it's one own-goal to another.

[Sephiroth]

you'd have to go some to call the WASPI situations where most of the women knew well in advance and where it would cost bajillions we don't have a dsisaster

you can call it unfortunate, slippery, political, clumsy

But a  disaster it ain't

[malumbu]

In deed, and why are you so excited by this/continually look for dirt on Starmer?

[Sephiroth]

46 minutes ago, malumbu said:

In deed, and why are you so excited by this/continually look for dirt on Starmer?

because they hang around very excitable online right-wing forums/YouTube videos where this stuff is poured into their brain by the second. And not being a very critical thinker, they lap it up

[Rockets]

Ha ha, speak for yourself Sephiroth - I can assure you I do not hang out in any right-wing cesspit (unless of course you're part of the bunch who think the BBC is is a right-wing forum!).

It is a political disaster - you just can't keep scoring these own goals without it doing long-term harm to your reputation and if Labour fail to get on top of this it is going to be an incredibly rough ride for them and I worry they will play into Reform's hands - and that is something no-one wants to contemplate. For the benefit of everyone they have to do better - and quickly.

[jazzer]

Inflation has risen for the second month in a row to 2.6%, this is just the beginning. 

and I almost forgot, some Christmas cheer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxtc-b2JURw

 

 

 

[Sephiroth]

I think it's possible to view several of the mistakes labour has made as "not good" without it equalling a disaster

I know there is a narrative out there that this will play into Reform hands - but  you would have to look at all of the major issues and think Reform would do a better job. No sane person could think that. 

And then there is the obvious problem with Farage - people don't like him. Oh I know in some heartlands he has a big enough core - but the country as a whole? Nah

I think labour are being clumsy in some areas, wrong in others, deeply dissapointing in some cases - and yet even before they were elected I knew most of this was likely - just because of the  size of the problems facing the country  (and I still reckon most people haven't quite grasped how bad things are after 14 years)  coupled with the fact that labour talent pool is  mid-table at best, compared with New Labour years. 

All still HUGELY more desirable than what we have had previously tho

 

 

[jazzer]

Does this list satisfactorily summarise the trips Reeves, Rayner and Starmer have so far succeeded in tripping themselves up with?

i) 5.5% pay increase for public sector 

ii) £300 Pensioner heating allowance withdrawn 

iii) Budget increasing employer NI contributions

iv) Two consecutive months of GDP reducing by 0.1% each month

v) Farmers Inheritance Tax to be increased 

vi) Inflation increasing

vii) WASPI women compensation scheme denied 

viii)  still to happen

viiii)  still to happen

x)  still to happen

[Sephiroth]

No it doesn’t - not all of them are even bad or down to a new government 

 

and none of them compare to the shitshow inherited, the brexit debts mounting or the pensions lost to truss

 

not even close 

For a start

 

”ii) £300 Pensioner heating allowance withdrawn” isn’t even accurate - many pensioners will still receive it 

2 hours ago, Rockets said:

Ha ha, speak for yourself Sephiroth - I can assure you I do not hang out in any right-wing cesspit (unless of course you're part of the bunch who think the BBC is is a right-wing forum!).

It is a political disaster - you just can't keep scoring these own goals without it doing long-term harm to your reputation and if Labour fail to get on top of this it is going to be an incredibly rough ride for them and I worry they will play into Reform's hands - and that is something no-one wants to contemplate. For the benefit of everyone they have to do better - and quickly.

Just the bbc is it rockets?  Totally believable - maybe you even believe it yourself 

 

chinny reckon 

[jazzer]

i) 5.5% pay increase for public sector, implemented by Starmers Govt

2.8% pay increase offered to public sector in addition to the 5.5% increase given July 2024

ii) £300 Pensioner heating allowance withdrawn,  implemented by Starmers Govt

iii) Budget increasing employer NI contributions,  implemented by Starmers Govt

increase of minimum wage, implemented by Starmers Govt

iv) Two consecutive months of GDP reducing by 0.1% each month, as a result of the budget

v) Farmers Inheritance Tax to be increased,  implemented by Starmers Govt

vi) Inflation increasing, reported as 2.6%,an increase for two consecutive months as a result of the budget

vii) WASPI women compensation scheme denied, implemented by Starmers Govt

viii) £50m given to Syria, while UK pensioners will freeze this winter and have to choose between heating and eating, implemented by Starmers Govt

 

All done and signed off by Starmer and a result of Reeves budget. And all factual as well, they can't be argued with either because they happened. 

Edited 2 hours ago by jazzer

[Rockets]

3 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

Just the bbc is it rockets?  Totally believable - maybe you even believe it yourself 

Ha ha, I love it when anytime anyone disagrees with Labour their supporters accuse them of being rabid right-wing borderline fascists.....normally it's to mask the fact they know Labour are an absolute disaster right now and they're a bit embarrassed as this is not what anyone expected. 

I am a left leaning centrist and really struggling to find any redeeming features of this government. The dream they promised is fast becoming a living nightmare and I sense they're losing a lot of the people who won them the election. 

A bit like Brexit a lot of people are getting voters' remorse....

[Sephiroth]

It’s not that you disagree with Labour.  I often find myself disagreeing with them too 

 

it’s the catastrophising. And the phrases you use 

 

you might consider yourself a left leaning centrist.  And maybe you were.  Very little sign of it now 

serious question.  Election tomorrow.  Which party would get your vote ?

[Rockets]

But you have to admit the first months of this government have been a disaster. I cannot think of another party that has struggled so much in the first months of leadership. Clearly the rhetoric that they had been preparing for 14 years was just that as it doesn't feel like they spent 14 weeks preparing.

I really would struggle if the election was tomorrow and not sure anyone would get my vote.

Labour - nothing fills me with confidence that they have what it takes and most of the cabinet are nothing more than glorified local councillors and should be nowhere near a government. Will likely implode.

Tories - chasing the Reform vote and lurching further towards the far right will not win them the swing voters. 

Lib Dems - feels like a wasted vote although they are making some headway after the Coalition disaster.

Greens - again wasted vote and even more like local (fringe) councillors

Reform - scary populist racists who are a real threat to our country