Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[Sephiroth]

this is mental - you are literally describing a completely different way of dealing with a situation - and claiming "it;s all the same". Because labour say "were not like them" and prove it by doing something that's the complete opposite of their predecessors

If wrongdoing comes to light, a party can either try and brush it off and ignore it - or deal with it immediately

which do you want? what would make Labour look good in your eyes in this situation?

[malumbu]

All of this send them to the Tower, off with their heads reminds me of Cecil Parkinson who got caught with his pants down, resigned his position, then later returned as a minister to standing applause from his Tory MP colleagues.   Ah, the good old days   

[Sephiroth]

I see Heidi Alexander’s appointment means the entire cabinet is state-educated for first time in history

thats not nothing - especially if you are a “they are all metropolitan elites - all of em!!!” Type 

[Rockets]

15 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

If wrongdoing comes to light, a party can either try and brush it off and ignore it - or deal with it immediately

Or promote them to be a member of the Cabinet.....;-)

[David Peckham]

4 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

I see Heidi Alexander’s appointment means the entire cabinet is state-educated for first time in history

thats not nothing - especially if you are a “they are all metropolitan elites - all of em!!!” Type 

It depends how you define 'Metropolitan Elite'.

The cabinet is heavily skewed to the Oxbridge-educated, to lawyers, and particularly to those who went straight from university into think tanks or parliamentary and union researcher posts.

It's a long way from being representative of the workforce in general. There's very little private sector experience, but that's probably a good thing given the misadventures of Reevesy and Haigho when they dipped their toes in it.

It is an improvement on the 'Public School & PPE at Oxford' Tory cabal, but still smacks of a political class well removed from the electorate. 

It's got four members who are related to prominent Labour figures, past and present.

It's still very much an 'Elite'.

19 out of 22 in the cabinet represent either a constuency in a Metropolitan county (England's six largest cities) or one in another large city. One is in the House of Lords. One is in Brighton & Hove. The other represents Swindon, which is about as close as you'll get to a proper city in Wiltshire - I'm disregarding Old Sarum. You're not even allowed to take your pig into a pub in Swindon, elsewhere in Wiltshire you probably won't get in without one. Believe me, I've tried.

The cabinet really couldn't be more 'Metropolitan'.

Even the stench of Rayner's chips & gravy isn't enough to cover the whiff of the seven-vegetable tagine suppers.

 

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[jazzer]

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[Sephiroth]

21 minutes ago, David Peckham said:

It depends how you define 'Metropolitan Elite'.

The cabinet is heavily skewed to the Oxbridge-educated, to lawyers, and particularly to those who went straight from university into think tanks or parliamentary and union researcher posts.

It's a long way from being representative of the workforce in general. There's very little private sector experience, but that's probably a good thing given the misadventures of Reevesy and Haigho when they dipped their toes in it.

It is an improvement on the 'Public School & PPE at Oxford' Tory cabal, but still smacks of a political class well removed from the electorate. 

It's got four members who are related to prominent Labour figures, past and present.

It's still very much an 'Elite'.

19 out of 22 in the cabinet represent either a constuency in a Metropolitan county (England's six largest cities) or one in another large city. One is in the House of Lords. One is in Brighton & Hove. The other represents Swindon, which is about as close as you'll get to a proper city in Wiltshire - I'm disregarding Old Sarum. You're not even allowed to take your pig into a pub in Swindon, elsewhere in Wiltshire you probably won't get in without one. Believe me, I've tried.

The cabinet really couldn't be more 'Metropolitan'.

Even the stench of Rayner's chips & gravy isn't enough to cover the whiff of the seven-vegetable tagine suppers.

 

I dunno man 

no political party is going to be formed of people on the street, tapped on the shoulder, and asked “do you want to run the country? You’ll have to be elected and give up a lot for not a huge amount of money - fancy it?”

political parties - grown up ones anyway - will be a self-selecting wonkish bunch.  I’m ok with that.  Doesn’t make them “elite”

I often think English people just love nothing more than to suffer.  And complain about suffering.  But like it really.  

[malumbu]

I really enjoyed the play at the National Theatre Nye (Bevan) about the politician and the establishment of the NHS.  He had to seriously compromise including some element of the private sector, GP practices, pharmacies being independent businesses, and consultants keeping on private work 

The days that a working class person from the valleys can be on the Cabinet are all but gone.  But even then he was an outlier