Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[diable rouge]

The Tory party's response to today's net migration figure of +728,000  for the year up to June (pre-election) is typical of them and their supporters attempt to gaslight in real time and airbrush out their sole accountability and responsibility, and instead attempt to blame the new Labour Gov . Quite incredible.

Chris Philip - Shadow Home Secretary...

"Today's figures confirm what we've been warning about: immigration remains far too high, and Labour was wrong to suspend further restrictions on family visas.

"Such high numbers place mounting pressure on housing, public services, and damage social cohesion, causing a real impact felt by communities across the UK.

"We need immediate action to enforce stricter controls on the border, get these numbers down, and put the needs of British workers and families front and centre."

 

[malumbu]

So what you are saying DR is Yvette Cooper becoming the new Priti Braverman?*

 

(*That's a scary combination of the two)

[jazzer]

First up I mis-spelt their, how petty that you jump all over that.

Why does Starmer continually blame the last Govt, now for immigration figures, can't he get on with the job in hand instead of using the same old line blaming the Conservatives, it becomes boring, or can his script writer not come up with something new and witty, guess not.

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Starmers response has been if you don't like it you can leave. What sort of response is that from a supposed Prime Minister, the man is  a joke. 

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[Sephiroth]

Must you be so humourless Jester?  you jumped on someone for a typo, so he was just playing with you

 

"t's Jazzer, not Jezzer."

"Why does Starmer continually blame the last Govt, now for immigration figures, can't he get on with the job in hand instead of using the same old line blaming the Conservatives, it becomes boring, "

a - because the tories continued to use the same line on labour 14 years after the 2010 election

b - because it has the benefit of being true whilst opposition try and paint him as someone who should have fixed everything in 5 months when they hadn't done any of it in 14 years 

 

Someone is a joke here but I doubt you will ever see it

More seriously tho - he isn't WRONG to blame the last govt but he doesn't convince that he is going to do anything different

Prime Ministers of any hue decreeing "we will drastically reduce the numbers" begs the question "how?" (assuming that you think it's a priority - I don't really -  But I get that many people get SUPER angry about this)

But UK would need  to spend a lot of money setting up proper border posts and processing centres, move genuine arrivals thru quickly and work with other countries (again - major problem of Brexit and nothing Starmer says he will concede any red lines - so good luck with that) - National ID cards for everyone  would also help track arrivals but English people seems to be dead set against those

What won't work is leaving the ECHR, throwing red meat to right wingers or cod-schemes like Rwanda

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[jazzer]

So you're next line of attack is so start making it personal, carry on, eventually you'll get thrown out of here. 

Thought you'd given up with me, but you can't let go. 

Me and 2.86M people are all fed up with the pigs ear Starmer and his motley crew of things and want a change.

The red witch has cast a wicked spell over the entire country and left us all in an even worse mess than before.  We need the wolf gone man.  

[Rockets]

Did I wake up in some parallel universe - listened in to Keir's press conference today and he was saying immigration was out of control, the Tories had been running an Opens Borders Experiment and his party were going to get on top of it.....sounded very much like a right-wing Tory pitch....;-)

Also, does the ONS not have an element of responsibility - these are, after all, their figures that are being continually revised - is their data collection/analysis robust? Or is the suggestion that there was political interference in the numbers that were being published by the Tories?

 

 

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[Sephiroth]

“So your next line of attack is so start making it personal, carry on, eventually you'll get thrown out of here. ”

how was my post a personal line of attack?

how will I get thrown off? Will there be a petition? 
 

put the blunderbuss down, stop firing indiscriminately and try and address the points people make 

 

if you jump on a typo and someone does the same don’t fire off another round - try and understand why that typo reference was made 

 

But if you feel I’ve gone too far, do click the report button. Let’s just hope admin isn’t part of the liberal elite and doesn’t action eh? That would be just typical 

[jazzer]

read what you wrote and have a think maybe.

[Rockets]

Could be an interesting few days for Louise Haigh....

 

BBC News - Haigh admits pleading guilty to 2014 criminal offence
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2l95750v08o

[Sephiroth]

Well she has resigned - so it makes a change from the weeks of denial before inevitable 

but if we are digging up offences from decades ago, can we revisit Badenoch hacking an MPs account? 

[vladi]

10 hours ago, Rockets said:

Could be an interesting few days for Louise Haigh....

 

BBC News - Haigh admits pleading guilty to 2014 criminal offence
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2l95750v08o

It looks like indiscretions, crimes, incompetency etc  by MPs generates a lot of responses so it might be a good time to start a new thread every time a new scandal emerges. Heaven knows there are enough of them from all parties.

[malumbu]

Shame, she seemed a decent Transport Secretary, it's not as if Grant Shapps never did anything wrong.  It's also a shame that some seem to enjoy these sorts of revelations.

She declared the offence so not sure why she needed to resign.  I thought that in the UK we had a culture of forgiveness. 

[vladi]

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

Shame, she seemed a decent Transport Secretary, it's not as if Grant Shapps never did anything wrong.  It's also a shame that some seem to enjoy these sorts of revelations.

She declared the offence so not sure why she needed to resign.  I thought that in the UK we had a culture of forgiveness. 

Shame indeed. The Times says she "lost" a total of 3 of her employer's work phones!

Once is unfortunate, twice is suspiciously inept but three times looks like blatant dishonesty - particularly as she did not fess up when the third phone was found.

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[David Peckham]

21 minutes ago, vladi said:

Shame indeed. The Times says she "lost" a total of 3 of her employer's work phones!

Once is unfortunate, twice is suspiciously inept but three times looks like blatant dishonesty - particularly as she did not fess up when the third phone was found.

It looks particularly daft when that employer is the UK's largest insurer.

I'd imagine they know a thing or two about fraud.

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Typo

[diable rouge]

Find myself in agreement with right-wing commentator Dan Hodges take on this...

Louise Haigh's resignation sets a ridiculously low bar for cabinet service. We're now saying there can be no rehabilitation for anyone in public life who has committed the most minor of offences.

[Earl Aelfheah]

18 hours ago, jazzer said:

Why does Starmer continually blame the last Govt, now for immigration figures, can't he get on with the job in hand instead of using the same old line blaming the Conservatives, it becomes boring, or can his script writer not come up with something new and witty, guess not.

This is a bit silly. You can hardly blame anyone else for immigration levels in 2023. 

[Rockets]

2 hours ago, diable rouge said:

Louise Haigh's resignation sets a ridiculously low bar for cabinet service. We're now saying there can be no rehabilitation for anyone in public life who has committed the most minor of offences.

Yes that is absolutely right but when Keir Starmer has said (during partygate) "lawbreakers cannot be lawmakers" you have to question how she ever got appointed to the cabinet. Was anyone doing any due diligence?

The fact she resigned so quickly might also suggest as more details of the case come out it may become more damaging to both her and the party. Wasn't it someone switching the phone back on again that triggered the police to get back in touch with her?

Yet another massive own-goal.

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[Sephiroth]

It's not ideal - but can you not see the difference between how the PM acts in this instance versus how previous PMs acted?

To me it underlines the difference between this govt and previous

[diable rouge]

I think Seph is right, the quick resignation is probably more to do with Labour wanting to quickly shut down an issue rather than allowing it to drag out over days/weeks like we had under the previous Gov...

[Rockets]

45 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

It's not ideal - but can you not see the difference between how the PM acts in this instance versus how previous PMs acted?

To me it underlines the difference between this govt and previous

Yes, to a many I am sure it underlines the difference.

 

But to many it will reinforce the similarity. That is the bigger risk of the two.

They will be hoping the Assisted Dying vote drowns out her resignation and that becomes the focus.

[malumbu]

Well I've done a few naughty things in my life that I am sure would come out If I was in office.  Mostly in my younger days.  I've grown up slightly since then and have even found my moral compass.

Surely most of us have a guilty secret.  Don't usually quite the scriptures but he/she without sin throw the first stone

[vladi]

What's the bet Louise Haigh will re-enter the cabinet at the next reshuffle?

[diable rouge]

4 minutes ago, vladi said:

What's the bet Louise Haigh will re-enter the cabinet at the next reshuffle?

That was certainly par for the course under the previous Gov, but Labour has a lot of very keen/ambitious MPs so I think she'll probably have to wait her turn...

[Sephiroth]

27 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Yes, to a many I am sure it underlines the difference.

 

But to many it will reinforce the similarity. That is the bigger risk of the two.

They will be hoping the Assisted Dying vote drowns out her resignation and that becomes the focus.

Now it can be true that it will be easy to find people who believe either of those things, that doesn't make both those things true 

Objectively - a situation is handled very differently by two different governments. If some people decide to say "proof they are all the same" then we should be pointing out that that is wrong - not hand waving it away as something that people can choose to believe or not believe

If the people who want to believe "they are all the same" have some better idea - eg Reform? - then they will have to have to explain how that party is packed with criminals so how does that improve things. "They are all the same" is usually code for "I don't really want to think about anything, I just want what I want"

13 minutes ago, diable rouge said:

That was certainly par for the course under the previous Gov, but Labour has a lot of very keen/ambitious MPs so I think she'll probably have to wait her turn...

that, and whilst I find him infuriating in many matters, I can't see Starmer of all people reversing this decision. 

[Rockets]

I think this story will run a bit - Labour HQ has said she went because "further details have come to light". Which is political speak for "what is about to come to light was not something we were aware of so don't blame us". i.e. casting her adrift politically and suggesting she did not tell them the full story to cover their own backs. Clearly the police must have thought something unusual was happening to charge her with that - we will probably find out over the weekend.

 

The problem is when you preach that "we're not like them" and then you act like them then it makes you look like hypocrites. In isolation this could be managed but it's another example of Labour saying one thing and doing another - Cash for Access, the clothing debacle, MP punching constituents etc etc etc. It casts all politicians in a bad light.