Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[Rockets]

BBC News - Reeves tells businesses no more tax rises as she defends Budget - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33ek51rx57o

[jazzer]

2 hours ago, ianr said:

Where did you get this from?

It came from the 9bn spent on the public above inflation pay award, hence doubling it. Watch the BBC interview of Starmer and Kuenssberg, where Starmer gets absolutely decimated. 

[ianr]

2 hours ago, Sue said:

There's a great big space, but where's the link?! 

in response to   On 19/11/2024 at 08:36, Moovart said:

I know nothing about farming so can't really comment but when I read things like this interesting thread from Guy Shrubsole I am increasingly cynical about those making the loudest noise.  And yes it is a genuine link.

 

I've just had a look at the page source.  It contains a link to a Twitter page that's been automatically embedded in Moovart's post but seems not now operative. So I've dug out the url to have another try, this time without embedding:  https://x.com/guyshrubsole/status/1858490339356533018 .  Seems ok.

 

1 hour ago, jazzer said:

It came from the 9bn spent on the public above inflation pay award, hence doubling it. Watch the BBC interview of Starmer and Kuenssberg, where Starmer gets absolutely decimated. 

in reply to my own "Where did you get this from?" response to your post at https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/353788-is-rachel-reeves-becoming-the-new-liz-truss/?do=findComment&comment=1688310, in which you again spoke of the government's "doubling the national debt".

You seem not to understand the meaning of "national debt".  Might you have been copying someone else's usage?

I'm sorry to hear of Starmer's decimation.

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And the para below was originally a totally new separate post but has also been merged.  Good night forum.

The above merging of my posts in response to Sue and to Jazzer have been done by the forum system, so there's no point in my trying again to separate them.  I've already tried editing out the merging and reposting the one to jazzer, but ended up with the same forced merge.  Apologies.

Latest edit.  The moral seems to be: don't try making two consecutive posts or they'll be liable to merging.  I've now been able to post a freestanding reply to jazzer's post now that there's an intervening post.

Edited Monday at 23:35 by ianr
Attempted correction of unintended post merging

[jazzer]

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[ianr]

1 hour ago, jazzer said:

It came from the 9bn spent on the public above inflation pay award, hence doubling it. Watch the BBC interview of Starmer and Kuenssberg, where Starmer gets absolutely decimated. 

in reply to my own "Where did you get this from?" response to your post at https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/353788-is-rachel-reeves-becoming-the-new-liz-truss/?do=findComment&comment=1688310, in which you again spoke of the government's "doubling the national debt".

You seem not to understand the meaning of "national debt".  Have you perhaps been relying on someone else's usage?

I'm sorry to hear of Starmer's decimation.

Edited Monday at 23:41 by ianr

[Sephiroth]

"The above merging of my posts in response to Sue and to Jazzer have been done by the forum system, so there's no point in my trying again to separate them"

 

soo aggravating. - has caught me out a few times. I get what the software is trying to do but it really messes with the flow of posts

[Spartacus]

Labours head of communications really should be advising Kier better. 

We've had, so far, the budget will be bad, we've inherited a 20 billion black hole, the NHS is broken, and today "Britain isn't working" in relation to jobs and apprenticeships 

Whilst honesty is a good thing, there are better ways of wording things

Negativity drives negativity in situations like this, especially in business and businesses are what labour requires to grow the economy and offer jobs to the unemployed. 

It does feel like Captain Kier has turned into Private Frazer crying  "we're all doomed" 

[diable rouge]

Seriously, how naïve and juvenile is that petition, talk about sore losers.

Whether you think Labour has broken any of its pre-election manifesto pledges/commitments etc is all down to interpretation and more likely how you voted at the last GE. But regardless of that, has there ever been a government that hasn't met all it's pre-election manifesto pledges/commitments etc?

There were loads of promises made by previous Tory Govs over the past 14 years that they failed to deliver on, where were all the right-whingers calling for a petition then? 

Let's start with taxes. Johnson pledged in 2019  not to increase income tax, VAT or National Insurance. By 2023...

The current Tory-led parliament will oversee the biggest set of tax increases since the Second World War, the country’s leading economic think tank has said.

Tax revenue will amount to 37% of national income by the next election, analysis from the Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests, up from about 33% four years ago.

This is the largest increase since records began in the 1950s. The spike amounts to about £3,500 more per household, though it will not be spread equally.

Then there's Brexit and all that promised but failed to deliver, even Johnson's 2019 'oven ready deal' wasn't oven ready and needed to be amended to get round the issues of a border in the Irish Sea (another broken promise). They couldn't even deliver on the promise of controlling our borders, with immigration shooting up post-Brexit. Not forgetting the addition of red tape rather the the reduction that was promised. There's a thesis to be written on this subject alone. Ditto 'levelling-up', remember that? 

How about 40 new hospitals that later turned out to be  mainly refurbs of existing hospitals? 

300,000 new homes per year were also promised in 2019, a target that pre-election stood at...

The Construction Products Association currently estimates the government will miss its 300,000 homes a year target by 40%.

And so on.

Whisper it, but Govs also do things that weren't in their manifesto like Sunak scrapping HS2 and subsequently trying to 'salt the earth' so that it couldn't be revived by a future Gov. He had no mandate to be PM let alone do something major like that, again, where was the uproar from the right?

You can apply the same double standards to all the confected noise around Labour and the so-called freebies. That, along with this petition is purely political and nothing to do with principals being applied fairly...

[jazzer]

Yep, his manifesto didn't say anything about removing the winter fuel allowance, or that they'd increase employers NI insurance contributions, or that they'd increase inflation, or they'd create a situation whereby employers are reducing their headcounts and not recruiting staff because of the economics they have created, what happened to we'll reduce energy costs by £300 per household, or that they'd increase Inheritance tax on farmers. Its more about what they didn't say they'd do rather than what they said they would do. 

They were not open or transparent about what they'd do once in power. 

They fooled the electorate, in five years time this country will be bankrupt. 

Because so many people are signing the petition asking for a new election, that is because people are fed up with what the Govt are doing to its citizens, including taking away the freedom of speech. 

Edited 7 hours ago by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

Whoooosh

[malumbu]

Who is signing the petition?  If they are real people, entitled to vote in the UK, guess what?  Mainly Tory and Reform voters.  Not really a surprise. And the opposition have not done themselves any favours with the new leader and others signing it.  Move on, and come back in four years when we have the next GE.

[jazzer]

Four years time this country will be on its knees