Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[Spartacus]

Take your labour blinkers off sir, Businesses are cutting hiring, prices will go up and new businesses won't start all as a result in the NI hike for employers 

Talking down the country pre budget also knocked consumer confidence 

Tomorrow labour are goung to announce getting young people into education or employment, yet with the above where will those jobs come from ? 

The three people who sent the pertition to me are all small business owners who are taking the brunt of the changes introduced in the budget, one is even talking about closing as it impacts margins so heavily. 

This is why people are unhappy. Labour hog tied themselves by promising no tax rises on working people and now the economy is suffering. 

Take the red pill sir, not the blue one. 

 

 

[Sephiroth]

and were people like you worried about "cutting hiring, prices going up and new business not starting" under the last govt or as a result of brexit

I don't have labour blinkers - I didn't even vote labour at the election. 

But do take a look at the data for that petition - and see how many actually come from UK

Edited 3 hours ago by Sephiroth

[Rockets]

11 hours ago, malumbu said:

Labour have moved to the right aping Tory words.  Thought you'd like this 

Malumbu, you were saying to posters on here "well where else will the money come from" and this highlights one of the major challenges for Labour.

Take the very issue being discussed on health related benefit claims. When you look at the data on what has been happening it really shows what a problem it has become but, of course, a Labour government can't possibly attack that area in the same way they go after others - it's easy for Labour to attack the perceptual cruise-going pensioners, toffs at private school and (with less effectiveness) rich land owning farmers.

Liz Kendall was on Laura K on Sunday and you could tell talking about the issue (which the government clearly have to deal with) was really difficult because what they are going to have to do is very un-Labour because the situation is out of control and they have to get on top of it.

[jazzer]

Sephiroth, what you don't like is people disagreeing with your blinkered view of what this Govt are doing, steering the country into economic turmoil. And as of this morning 1.9m people have so far signed the petition.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YiinHLdspA 

No it's not far right, its the people speaking out and saying Starmer, Reeves and Rayner got it wrong. We don't want an economic crash which is where they are taking us, the last thing the people want is inflation rising along with interest rates and mortgages, and food, and energy costs, and , and, and, and, the list is endless. What people do want is this bunch of fools removed from office before they do any more damage to the country. And when Kemi takes Office, all this foolishness imposed during Starmagedon will be reversed. 

The people have had enough, they realise the damage being done to the country.

They realise that employers are cutting back on jobs and already making people redundant

They recognise the cost of living is increasing, not decreasing.

They recognise that Energy prices are increasing, not decreasing as Starmer promised.

They recognise that the hike in employer NI contributions hurts everyone in this country.

They recognise that the Winter fuel allowance has been rescinded, leaving pensioners to freeze in their homes.

They recognise that life is going to get more, not less expensive because of Reeves failed budget, they recognise that the tax on farmers land will result in farmers not supplying food and causing food shortages, WHY can't you see this.  

Now as for "b) more than a little bit unstable and posting random links from far right YouTube sites" - No I'm not unstable, you just don't like the truth being pointed out to you. 

"there have always been people like this in the country and now they have a way to express it - in no way should it deflect a government or represent majority of people". The purpose of the lounge is to enable people to express what they she happening, at the moment by an inept Govt, about to crash the country into a huge economic iceberg, taking us back probably to the economics of the 1920's. 

You even disagree with what is said in the House of Commons, when Liebour get harpooned and Reeves runs out of the chamber because she can't accept scrutiny and doesn't want to answer the questions, as she Fked up. 

Edited 47 minutes ago by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

"No I'm not unstable, you just don't like"

 

Can I stop you there? Leaving aside the first bit of that statement (and I'd be interested in what other readers genuinely think about that) there is little point jabbing a finger and saying "you just don't like" when it is YOU that "just doesn't like" a democratically elected govt with a massive majority and are taking steps to over throw it with pathetic excuses

As I've pointed out the last govt did many many things not in their manifesto, changed leader 3 times without presenting to electorate - so don't give me any nonsense about "I just don't like"

 

 

[jazzer]

No, you won't stop me there. 

Sephiroth, what you don't like is people disagreeing with your blinkered view of what this Govt are doing, steering the country into economic turmoil. And as of this morning 1.9m people have so far signed the petition.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YiinHLdspA 

No it's not far right, its the people speaking out and saying Starmer, Reeves and Rayner got it wrong. We don't want an economic crash which is where they are taking us, the last thing the people want is inflation rising along with interest rates and mortgages, and food, and energy costs, and , and, and, and, the list is endless. What people do want is this bunch of fools removed from office before they do any more damage to the country. And when Kemi takes Office, all this foolishness imposed during Starmagedon will be reversed. 

The people have had enough, they realise the damage being done to the country.

They realise that employers are cutting back on jobs and already making people redundant

They recognise the cost of living is increasing, not decreasing.

They recognise that Energy prices are increasing, not decreasing as Starmer promised.

They recognise that the hike in employer NI contributions hurts everyone in this country.

They recognise that the Winter fuel allowance has been rescinded, leaving pensioners to freeze in their homes.

They recognise that life is going to get more, not less expensive because of Reeves failed budget, they recognise that the tax on farmers land will result in farmers not supplying food and causing food shortages, WHY can't you see this.  

Now as for "b) more than a little bit unstable and posting random links from far right YouTube sites" - No I'm not unstable, you just don't like the truth being pointed out to you. 

"there have always been people like this in the country and now they have a way to express it - in no way should it deflect a government or represent majority of people". The purpose of the lounge is to enable people to express what they she happening, at the moment by an inept Govt, about to crash the country into a huge economic iceberg, taking us back probably to the economics of the 1920's. 

You even disagree with what is said in the House of Commons, when Liebour get harpooned and Reeves runs out of the chamber because she can't accept scrutiny and doesn't want to answer the questions, as she Fked up. 

[alice]

You are very closed in with a shutdown view of what is actually happening in the world. There is absolutely no discussion to be had. 
The whole point of a discussion is the idea that people may change their minds, adapt their views with incoming facts that’s not going to  happen here. 

[malumbu]

This is what is happening on other threads, in particular anything to do with active travel.  Not sure why this forum has become so polarised.

[ianr]

What is the URL of this petition? I want to read it.

Edited 12 minutes ago by ianr

[jazzer]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

[ianr]

Thank you.  As it's short I may as well repeat the wording here.

"Call a General Election

"I would like there to be another General Election.

"I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election."

Edited 3 minutes ago by ianr

[jazzer]

And add to that list, the removal of Freedom of Speech by Starmer's Government, the removal of democracy and the implementation of a one Party State on the people.