Is Rachel Reeves becoming the new Liz Truss?

[alice]

Exactly, I looked at a couple of his other videos.  very sad man. 

[jazzer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKScAuKUeas

 

[alice]

Proves my point

[Sephiroth]

  On 23/11/2024 at 15:08, alice said:

Exactly, I looked at a couple of his other videos.  very sad man. 

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And so is that YouTuber 

[malumbu]

Lazy just posting links without saying why.  So I wont be looking at them.  Just feels like some of you are on the anti Labour bandwagon.

[Rockets]

BBC article was interesting though don't you think? Labour have got to start doing better and I think Winter Fuel and farmers are going to haunt them for some time yet.

[jazzer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7PoIumMKkU

 

[Sephiroth]

  On 23/11/2024 at 20:22, jazzer said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7PoIumMKkU

 

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Someone.  stage an intervention.  Please. 

is this the kind of crap he and people like him watch all day before coming online and telling us the people will rise up

is he… gulp… the future?

 

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2024 by Sephiroth

[malumbu]

Beeb article concludes that she will stay.  My issue is not putting up fuel duty.  

Not looking at the YouTube vids, someone will have to summarise.  Are they as toxic as GB news, all woke this, snowflake the other?

Edited November 23, 2024 by malumbu

[Rockets]

  On 23/11/2024 at 20:53, malumbu said:

My issue is not putting up fuel duty.  

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This is why you are not the chancellor!

Rachel Reeves won't be going anywhere until either she fixes things or Starmer needs someone to blame!

[Sephiroth]

  On 23/11/2024 at 20:53, malumbu said:

Beeb article concludes that she will stay.  My issue is not putting up fuel duty.  

Not looking at the YouTube vids, someone will have to summarise.  Are they as toxic as GB news, all woke this, snowflake the other?

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Worse than gb news

 

Signs of unhinged minds 

[jazzer]

No, signs of sense and scrutiny of "leaders" not knowing the impact of what they have done, so much so that every citizen in the UK will suffer financially as a result of an incompetent, incoherent, unhinged Govt that's impact is effecting every citizen in the UK. Where things were being turned around by the last lot, this lot has already compromised all that work in its first 120 days in power. You may not like it but that's the truth.  We are never going to agree and actually Reeves, Rayner and Starmer need to go, like yesterday. 

[Sephiroth]

  On 23/11/2024 at 23:09, jazzer said:

No, signs of sense and scrutiny of "leaders" not knowing the impact of what they have done, so much so that every citizen in the UK will suffer financially as a result of an incompetent, incoherent, unhinged Govt that's impact is effecting every citizen in the UK. Where things were being turned around by the last lot, this lot has already compromised all that work in its first 120 days in power. You may not like it but that's the truth.  We are never going to agree and actually Reeves, Rayner and Starmer need to go, like yesterday. 

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All of the loons calling for overthrow of government or signing the petition to “call an election now!!!!”

same people who laughed at people like me when we suggested before triggering article 50 that maybe a pause for consideration on the back of momentous decision would be wise 

“enemies of the people” we were. Even tho we were entirely democratic and sensible as there was no way to reverse that Brexit shambles so another poll was wise 

yet an entirely regular general election, something that can be reversed in 4 years, is driving people like jazzer demented even tho Labour won a landslide. poor jaz can’t even wait a few years to vote again 

[jazzer]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LrAcO2qcvwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpOAQDB_RZM

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

Stop posting contextless YouTube links and make an argument with words. In English.  
 

if the YouTube link backs up your argument then all well and good. But just links on their own is demented 

[jazzer]

Sephiroth, meaning of.

"There was one SOLDIER named Sephiroth, who was better than the rest, but when he found out about the terrible experiments that made him, he began to hate Shinra. And then, over time, he began to hate everything."

"Ha, ha, ha... my sadness? What do I have to be sad about? I am the chosen one. I have been chosen to be the leader of this Planet. I have orders to take this planet back from you stupid people for the Cetra. What am I supposed to be sad about?"

Edited November 24, 2024 by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

Jazzer appears to have correctly deduced the origin of my username.  It’s from a long running Japanese RPG series

I used to be seanmacgabhann

then straferjack

now sephiroth

but what - and I mean this well - the f*** does this have to do with anything

im going to suggest, like everything in jazzer’s life, it has no connection with anything but he continues to pluck at random strings to try and connect to… oh I dunno 

[jazzer]

Young people who refuse to work to lose benefits - minister

Young people who refuse to work will face having their benefits cut, the work and pensions secretary has said.

Liz Kendall told the BBC the government will offer young people the opportunity to "earn or learn" under new proposals to be unveiled on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35r0v7q95o

[Spartacus]

The concept of Rachel Reeves being deposed from power soon may well have some validity. 

There is an online pertition that I was sent this afternoon calling for a new general election based on "I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election." 

Thos afternoon it had 750,000 signatures now at 10pm on Sunday evening it had over 1.6 million signatures. 

Whilst it has no hope, if I was Kier I would be questioning why so many people seem to be up in arms.

 

[Sephiroth]

If I was a half-aware human being I would wonder why anyone would believe those signatories were real and not bots 

 

but even if they were real - uk elections are held every 4 or 5 years.  Now sit down everyone 

[Spartacus]

The point is Seph,  that if I was in charge of the government, even if it has no hope, it would be making me wonder why people were signing . Especially if it gets much bigger. 

Who knows, maybe there will be a reshuffle at the top. 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Spartacus

[malumbu]

  On 24/11/2024 at 21:23, jazzer said:

Young people who refuse to work to lose benefits - minister

Young people who refuse to work will face having their benefits cut, the work and pensions secretary has said.

Liz Kendall told the BBC the government will offer young people the opportunity to "earn or learn" under new proposals to be unveiled on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35r0v7q95o

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Labour have moved to the right aping Tory words.  Thought you'd like this 

[Sephiroth]

  On 24/11/2024 at 22:47, Spartacus said:

The point is Seph,  that if I was in charge of the government, even if it has no hope, it would be making me wonder why people were signing . Especially if it gets much bigger. 

Who knows, maybe there will be a reshuffle at the top. 

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If I were in govt and chose to investigate why people were signing (if they are people not bots ) then I would read forums like this and conclude that the people most likely to sign this petition are:

a) never going to vote for Labour anyway

b) more than a little bit unstable and posting random links from far right YouTube sites

there have always been people like this in the country and now they have a way to express it - in no way should it deflect a government or represent majority of people 

[Spartacus]

Thankfully Sephiroth,  you aren't in charge because if you were, like Captain Kier, you too would be ignoring the warning signs and carry on steering the ship into an iceberg.

Trying to dismiss nearly 2 million people, all of whom had to verify their email address, as "a bit unstable" is low even for you.

Face the facts, it's not anti labour rethoric , it's a genuine concern that the government are making poor decisions for the economy and country.  

[Sephiroth]

oh I'm sure all the concerned citizens were launching petitions when unelected Truss crashed the  economy and her party picked another leader - all without facing the electorate

 

The notion this is democracy in action and not anti-labour rhetoric is laughable 

 

PS bots can create and verify email addresses

"Trying to dismiss nearly 2 million people, all of whom had to verify their email address, as "a bit unstable" is low even for you."

 

an election was just held -  and there will be another one in a few years. objectively, signing a petition like this is more than a bit unstable behaviour. That's objective fact - it's not "low"

If Starmer gets ousted by his own party and Labour select someone else to take over (Corbyn!) without facing the electorate then yeah sure - that would be reasonable grounds  for expecting an election

But that isn't going to happen any time soon - no matter how many YouTube videos people watch

 

even for me

Edited November 25, 2024 by Sephiroth