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[Lowlander]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

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> > Louisa Wrote:

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> > > I don't care aout any horse meat scandel! A

> > burger

> > > never has been and should be considered an

> > > 'up-market' food product. Anyone who tries to

> > feed

> > > you that line about posh burgers knows how to

> > turn

> > > a penny into a pound by ripping off people

> with

> > > more money than sense. Blimey it's a burger

> not

> > a

> > > fillet steak! This all goes back to snobbery.

> A

> > > burger is a bloomin burger, regardless of

> > what's

> > > in it, once some tomato sauce and mustard is

> on

> > it

> > > who knows or even cares? Its just about

> snobby

> > > people playing the oneupmanship card. 'Ooh

> I'm

> > > going to wear vintage clothes and ironic

> > glasses

> > > and go down to some wannabe mockney

> > middle-class

> > > market and buy a buffalo burger filled with

> > double

> > > Gloucester cheese and act like a real

> Londonder

> > > even though my roots are in Hampshire'. *yawn*

>

> > >

> > > Louisa.

> >

> >

> > Some people don't want to eat the rear end of a

> > horse minced up with sand. They want a lucious

> > burger made from premium Wagyu beef mince

> (circa

> > ?20/kg), topped with vintage Cornish cheddar

> > (?12.15/kg) and enconsed in artisan rye bread

> > fresh from Poland (?6/kg).

> >

> Seasoned with Brazilian black pepper, Nepalese

> > pink salt, Spanish vine-ripened tomatoes and

> > Wilkinson's ketchup, ?12 is a steal.

> >

> > All washed down with a nice Nicaraguan pale ale.

>

> > Yum.

>

>

> Funny that.. Word for Word what I said in another

> Thread..

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> Foxy

Link?

[Louisa]

After night of getting tipsy with a bottle of vino or a case of real ale My last concern is who sourced my burger and whether or not it contains horse and sand. My only concern is how much it bloody costs! I agree W.Bunting sell great cuts of meat and I'd rather give them my business and cook my own burgers than go to some crap 'burger specialist' restaurant who's ripping me off. The middle classes do put a smile on my face with there insincerity about food knowledge. Just cos you've watched a few Jamie Oliver or Nigella program's on tv doesn't make you an expert on good food. It just means you fall for the bull and pay triple the price for the same thing the rest of us eat. These are the types of people who think its acceptable to have smoked salmon and poached egg for breakfast. Snobs. Rant over.

Louisa.

[BJL]

"...people who think its acceptable to have smoked salmon and poached egg for breakfast."

"A burger should be served up with a cheap cheese slice, squirty mustard and ketchup and some onions."

I know you're not really serious about all of this but don't you ever worry that you might come across as a bit...bossy? Telling people what's "acceptable" to eat at breakfast or how burgers "should be served" etc.

Do people tell you that you "shouldn't" order a venison and red wine pie from a fish & chip shop or point out that spending ?12 on a single bottle of your sparkling Banrock Station is "snobby"? (After all - it's "just" fermented grape juice, isn't it?)

[DulwichFox]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Link?

No longer available.

It was in a thread about using Rare beef in Burgers.. ??? Maybe not.

Think it may of been taken down due to complaints from certain busineses. Don't know.

Could not forget that line though.

Foxy.

[Lowlander]

Louisa Wrote:

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> After night of getting tipsy with a bottle of vino

> or a case of real ale My last concern is who

> sourced my burger and whether or not it contains

> horse and sand. My only concern is how much it

> bloody costs! I agree W.Bunting sell great cuts of

> meat and I'd rather give them my business and cook

> my own burgers than go to some crap 'burger

> specialist' restaurant who's ripping me off. The

> middle classes do put a smile on my face with

> there insincerity about food knowledge. Just cos

> you've watched a few Jamie Oliver or Nigella

> program's on tv doesn't make you an expert on good

> food. It just means you fall for the bull and pay

> triple the price for the same thing the rest of us

> eat. These are the types of people who think its

> acceptable to have smoked salmon and poached egg

> for breakfast. Snobs. Rant over.

>

> Louisa.

Reverse snobbery at its best Louisa. That's a mighty (Iceland own brand) chip on your shoulder :-)

[DulwichFox]

In a recent Hells Kitchen USA. Gordon Ramsey quoted that a 'Burger' in one of his Gaffs could fetch ?100.00.

Foxy.

[DaveR]

Tomorrow for breakfast I'm going to have caviar and foie gras on toast, with white truffles shaved over the top. With champagne.

I call it a "Louisa".

[pinecone]

I got my set of four keys cut at Callows yesterday and they are tip-top!

[Cyclemonkey]

Beef has never beena "cheap" food. If your burger is cheap then you are eating horse bum or floor sweepings reshaped into a burger. There are plently of wholesome, cheap cuts of meat but beef generally ain't one of them.

Believe me, haivng grown up on a farm there is nothing snobby about wanting good quality food. Ehere i will conceed there is hilariousness in london where people do not really understand seasionality and costs of production so therefore do not really know anymore what a fair price for good quality food is and can get seduced by words such as locally sourced and artisan. Louisa has a point about some of the more stupid shops in ED/Peckham - the fact we have a "farm shop" is fairly laughable and the General Store in Bellenden road is outrageously priced.

Good quality food should be accessible to everyone - you see people in towns in Italy and France buyign the best they can afford. We seem to have tuirned food either into an expensive hobby obsessed with provenance or as an exaggerated badge of working class pride to eat the cheapest shit imaginable. There is a middle way and that is often reconnecting with how food is grown and produced the real effort and costs involved. That is why i will happily pay good money for decent meat and cheese but laugh you in to next week if you try and charge me ?2.50 for a cupcake or ?3 for a tiny jar of fruit jam. (both of which hapepend recently at a Peckham food market)

[LondonMix]

Agree with that Cycle Monkey. There is an element of marketing to many stores success. Marketing which plays into a lifestyle idea above and beyond the product being sold. However, that is not to say there are at times differences in quality that justify paying more for things. Its absurd that anyone who doesn't eat the cheapest thing must be a snob. Price is only one element of value.

Anyhow, Louisa is clearly looking to wind people up! The poached eggs and salmon comment was classic :)

[Louisa]

I nearly had a coronary after going into a certain unnamed shop locally for a loaf of bread and a jar of pickle. Should have taken out a second mortgage for the privilege. I did on that one occasion pay and enjoy the products I bought, but if I'm being brutally honest they were no more local and no more fresh than anything I've bought at other shops with a less purse 'knockout blow' mentality. LondonMix, it's not just smoked salon and scrambled eggs that are an unnecessary endulgence for the middle classes, it's pretty much anything that comes as a revelation. Burgers were not seen as trendy until the whole fad started up about 7/8 years ago when suddenly the middle classes 'discovered' the burger! Patronising? not half!

Louisa.

[Dopamine1979]

Lowlander Wrote:

They want a lucious

> burger made from premium Wagyu beef mince (circa

> ?20/kg), topped with vintage Cornish cheddar

> (?12.15/kg) and enconsed in artisan rye bread

> fresh from Poland (?6/kg).

>

> Seasoned with Brazilian black pepper, Nepalese

> pink salt, Spanish vine-ripened tomatoes and

> Wilkinson's ketchup, ?12 is a steal.

>

> All washed down with a nice Nicaraguan pale ale.

> Yum.

Is it wrong that I am now aroused?

[Cyclemonkey]

I can't see what is wrong with smoked salmon and scambled eggs for beakfast - lovely. however i would imagine your average middle class person probably doesn't dine on this every day for breakfast. In a small survey of the middle class people of my household reveals that breakfast this morning for me was Sainsburys own brand branflakes and a blackcurrent yoghurt - Mr Cyclemonkey had some bread that i made the night before with a cup of tea. Not sure whether this meets with middle class breakfast approval - must try harder tomorrow.

[Dopamine1979]

These inane class discussions always bring this to mind.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2tXgcGdqREw/S702T4Jx8SI/AAAAAAAAARY/1QrALIbObbU/s200/The+Class+sketch.jpg

[LondonMix]

Yes must try harder cyclemonkey!

I have no idea what you are on about Louisa. Eggs and salmon aren't particularly expensive and again, I can't see what's wrong per se with someone wanting to eat them. Are you suggesting that people are eating poached eggs and salmon just to prove they are posh and don't actually like the way they taste? That would be an exceedingly odd assertion.

Again, people make choices based on what they like and sometimes they just want to try something new, and othertimes people buy things because of marketing. That's true regardless of class. It??s human nature and all good businesses play on all 3 elements. Even McDonald??s offers new versions of its burgers etc to keep the punters interested.

Your campaign against poached eggs though seems a bit deranged?Xand I say this as someone who eats porridge if I have breakfast at all. Does that make me salt of the earth or desperate brain-washed middle class ???

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> I can't see what is wrong with smoked salmon and

> scambled eggs for beakfast - lovely. however i

> would imagine your average middle class person

> probably doesn't dine on this every day for

> breakfast. In a small survey of the middle class

> people of my household reveals that breakfast this

> morning for me was Sainsburys own brand branflakes

> and a blackcurrent yoghurt - Mr Cyclemonkey had

> some bread that i made the night before with a cup

> of tea. Not sure whether this meets with middle

> class breakfast approval - must try harder

> tomorrow.

[Zebedee Tring]

I stopped being guilty about being middle class when I was about 21.

In my very humble opinion, you should eat whatever floats your boat (if that isn't a mixed metaphor).

If you like deep fried Mars Bars, then eat them.

If you like hand carved pesto flavoured polenta, then eat it.

You don't 'ave to apologise to no-one (oops my East London/Essex origins showing!)

[ED - NAGAIUTB]

Christ Louisa, you really are an epic snob.

[Louisa]

Excuse me ED?

Reverse psychology does not work with me. People eating the smoked salmon are the snobs. I am just a normal person eating my normal breakfast.

LondonMix. Poached eggs are delicious, if they are put on top of a slice of toasted and buttered bread and eaten as is. Otherwise it's just snobbery. Cyclemonkey I'm happy with branflakes or a slice of bread and marmalade some mornings too- but poached eggs and smoked salmon is a step into the extremities of outrageous snobbery.

Louisa.

[Jeremy]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Poached eggs are delicious, if they are

> put on top of a slice of toasted and buttered

> bread and eaten as is.

How about eggs benedict? Surely that's a long standing breakfast classic? Once a dish has stood the test of time, it should be exempt from accusations of snobbery or faddism.

[glasshalffull]

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> I can't see what is wrong with smoked salmon and

> scambled eggs for beakfast - lovely. however i

> would imagine your average middle class person

> probably doesn't dine on this every day for

> breakfast. In a small survey of the middle class

> people of my household reveals that breakfast this

> morning for me was Sainsburys own brand branflakes

> and a blackcurrent yoghurt - Mr Cyclemonkey had

> some bread that i made the night before with a cup

> of tea. Not sure whether this meets with middle

> class breakfast approval - must try harder

> tomorrow.

I'm afraid to say Cyclemonkey that the fact that you made the bread does show pretentions of being middle-class. However this does depend on how you made the bread, if you knocked the dough up yourself and baked it in the oven you could still be working class (unless it was an Aga) but if you used a bread maker you are probably almost certainly middle class. It would depend where the bread maker is located. If it is on an island in your 30 x 30 kitchen diner you are middle class, if it is kept in a cupboard with the instructions still in it you are probably still working class.

Personally I rather enjoy a full English at Fortnum & Mason every now and then but am now very confused as to what class they places me in. Is there a test I can take?

[Lowlander]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Excuse me ED?

>

> Reverse psychology does not work with me. People

> eating the smoked salmon are the snobs. I am just

> a normal person eating my normal breakfast.

>

> LondonMix. Poached eggs are delicious, if they are

> put on top of a slice of toasted and buttered

> bread and eaten as is. Otherwise it's just

> snobbery. Cyclemonkey I'm happy with branflakes or

> a slice of bread and marmalade some mornings too-

> but poached eggs and smoked salmon is a step into

> the extremities of outrageous snobbery.

>

> Louisa.

Thought you would be a margarine woman. Butter's a bit posh no?

[ED - NAGAIUTB]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Excuse me ED?

>

> Reverse psychology does not work with me. People

> eating the smoked salmon are the snobs. I am just

> a normal person eating my normal breakfast.

>

> LondonMix. Poached eggs are delicious, if they are

> put on top of a slice of toasted and buttered

> bread and eaten as is. Otherwise it's just

> snobbery. Cyclemonkey I'm happy with branflakes or

> a slice of bread and marmalade some mornings too-

> but poached eggs and smoked salmon is a step into

> the extremities of outrageous snobbery.

>

> Louisa.

Passive aggression is still aggression. Reverse snobbery is still snobbery. You're taking the moral high ground on people that YOU (and generally, only you) perceive as being middle classed. And for what? Their choice of breakfast? Or they like a burger that is more meat than arseholes and eyelids?

You're no better than someone who says "I'm not racist, but...". They're still racist, whether or not they realise it or acknowledge it. You turn EVERY thread into class war. And not even with a hint of an intelligent argument.

Like it or not, you're a snob.

[StraferJack]

for some reason, in 2013, some people still enjoy the way Louisa winds people up. I just don't understand that at all...

I haven't gotten wound up this time, but the tactic still posions discussion

[Cyclemonkey]

No bread makers here!! - I hand bake my bread - usually using Sainsburys own brand flour. Although i have been known to make sourdough which i presume is irredeamably middle class.

i shall have to tell my old dad, a tenant farmer who left school with 1 O-level and has done manual work all his life that eating smoked salmon now marks him out as a middle class snob and he should desist immediately or be taken away to be re-educated by the Peoples Commisariat of East Dulwich.

[Zebedee Tring]

When I'm in a middle class frame of mind, there's nothing I like doing more than knitting my own yoghourt or sitting on a beanbag singing "Give Peace A Chance" and eating pesto flavoured ciabatta.

However, when I remember my grandfather who toiled in the Fleet Street printing mines, I don my Pearly King outfit, sing "Knees Up Muvva Brown" and enjoy a luvverly lard sandwich.