Redesigned Dulwich Square

[Rockets]

As the wraps start to come off the Dulwich Square hideously expensive works can anyone see what the difference is to how it was before other than:

New expensive looking crazy paving 

Restriction of emergency services access to Calton

Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

It all all seems a lot of money spent for very little.

 

[first mate]

The paving looks extremely expensive, it is in stark contrast to ED paving. Still, it'll be a nice place for carol singers to hang out on Christmas Day and for a few young people to eat sandwiches on cold evenings. 😂

[malumbu]

I'm looking forward to the opening.  But wonder why you have started a separate thread when you have been criticising it on other threads in the last three or four years.  People are already sitting out in the sun which is lovely 

[alice]

The story of that junction will be taught in universities.  The rise and fall of councils and inequalities. 

[first mate]

  On 07/10/2024 at 12:26, malumbu said:

I'm looking forward to the opening.  But wonder why you have started a separate thread when you have been criticising it on other threads in the last three or four years.  People are already sitting out in the sun which is lovely 

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Mal, surely you have much, much more important things to do than 'police' yet another thread. I thought you had advised that others should spend their energy on, according to you, more worthy pursuits, yet you keep popping up. 

Do you agree that the quality of the paving in and around 'Vanity Square', and also extending around the new and very expensive/exclusive residential development, is of a completely different quality to anything in East Dulwich nearby?

Edited October 7, 2024 by first mate

[ab29]

Except it is the closed Dulwich Village junction, hopefully to reopen at some point and not a square of any sort. 

Basic services are abandoned and not provided by the council, like pavements sweeping but lets waste more money on redesign of the junction

Edited October 7, 2024 by ab29

[malumbu]

Just questioned, not policed or reported.  We've had two more anti LTN threads in the last day.  The square looks like it will be lovely.  I'd petition for closing more roads and doing similar eg by Goodrich school 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

  On 07/10/2024 at 13:02, alice said:

The story of that junction will be taught in universities.  The rise and fall of councils and inequalities. 

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This is brilliant. 10/10, no notes. 👏👏👏

It's like whoever it was that was making out they basically lived in North Korea because they didn't get their way on whether a road should be closed or not. 

[alice]

Sorry, but not like that at all. 

[Penguin68]

  On 07/10/2024 at 14:07, malumbu said:

I'd petition for closing more roads and doing similar eg by Goodrich school 

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And would you, Mal, be openly doing this (petitioning for closing more roads) where you live, or just in Dulwich and ED, where I believe you don't.  Have you, indeed, petitioned for closure of roads around your home, and if so, which? Just how happy are your neighbours with your position on this?

[malumbu]

Melbourne would be another good one too. I'll have a think about my streets, ideally close Honor Oak Road and move through traffic to Wood Vale, as it was in the old days, reopening the right turn onto the South Circ. 

[first mate]

  On 07/10/2024 at 14:07, malumbu said:

Just questioned, not policed or reported.  We've had two more anti LTN threads in the last day.  The square looks like it will be lovely.  I'd petition for closing more roads and doing similar eg by Goodrich school 

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I'm sure you will. But you do a lot of thread 'policing' because you seem constantly to be trying to shutdown any questioning or discussion around the value of our local LTNs. This despite not even living here!

Although you don't live here  you also seem to be on some sort of mission to tell us we should all move on and spend our time on more worthy things, as defined by you.

  On 07/10/2024 at 14:56, Penguin68 said:

And would you, Mal, be openly doing this (petitioning for closing more roads) where you live, or just in Dulwich and ED, where I believe you don't.  Have you, indeed, petitioned for closure of roads around your home, and if so, which? Just how happy are your neighbours with your position on this?

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Remember, LCC encourages its members to get involved in street closures all over London, so not living in the area is, in their eyes, no bar to participation in consultations, lobbying activities, social media activism etc...

Edited October 7, 2024 by first mate

[Rockets]

  On 07/10/2024 at 12:26, malumbu said:

I'm looking forward to the opening.  But wonder why you have started a separate thread when you have been criticising it on other threads in the last three or four years.  People are already sitting out in the sun which is lovely 

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Err Malumbu, because it is close to opening and there wasn't another thread that fitted my question and are you here to police what people do or don't post. Look, if people are interested in the subject then the thread will live, if not then it will die - that's how forums work!

 

I am sure a few people are looking forward to the opening but to me it seems like a huge waste of money that, other than the points I raised earlier, seems to have done nothing to  improve the junction. Can anyone tell me what the huge spend has actually changed?

It seems to me that in their desperate attempt to finally (and quickly) close part of the junction to emergency vehicles the council has spent a huge amount of money - I have never seen paving like that anywhere else in Dulwich and it looks like it cost a fortune - at a time when the council is pleading poverty it is a bit hypocritical

[Earl Aelfheah]

He's started another thread because he's a monomaniac.

Edited October 9, 2024 by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

But Earl, ignoring another one of your false accusations, do you have any input on whether you think it does anything other than:

• Add new expensive looking crazy paving 
• Restriction of emergency services access to Calton
• Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

[Azalea]

Can someone post a picture?

[snowy]

  On 08/10/2024 at 12:16, Rockets said:

But Earl, ignoring another one of your false accusations, do you have any input on whether you think it does anything other than:

• Add new expensive looking crazy paving 
• Restriction of emergency services access to Calton
• Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

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In further Partridgisms from Rocks, i'm tickled that according to google no one has ever written the phrase "expensive looking crazy paving" on the internet before. Its a rare almost googlewhack 

[march46]

The entrance from Calton hasn’t been built yet Rockets so hold your horses before criticising that they’ve created any problem. 

[Hen123]

  On 08/10/2024 at 12:59, Azalea said:

Can someone post a picture?

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Here on the Southwark website. Looks quite nice. 

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/street-improvements/dulwich-streets-for-people
 

 

  On 08/10/2024 at 12:16, Rockets said:

• Restriction of emergency services access to Calton
• Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

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Emergency vehicles are allowed on cycle lanes so not a problem. There is a slight bend in the cycle path but it is not too severe. 

Edited October 8, 2024 by Hen123

[Rockets]

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:04, snowy said:

In further Partridgisms from Rocks, i'm tickled that according to google no one has ever written the phrase "expensive looking crazy paving" on the internet before. Its a rare almost googlewhack 

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Sorry let me correct it for you expensive looking "natural stone paving" as the council refers to it - has anyone seen something as extravagant anywhere else in Dulwich?

 

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:05, march46 said:

The entrance from Calton hasn’t been built yet Rockets so hold your horses before criticising that they’ve created any problem. 

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The kerb stones are in though aren't they? The track and the new chicane is clear to see.

 

You know what, looking at that council schematic I can't help but wonder why they didn't just divert bikes around Gilkes Place and Gilkes Crescent and avoid the whole trying to mix bikes and pedestrians in a pedestrian area.

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:06, Hen123 said:

Emergency vehicles are allowed on cycle lanes so not a problem. There is a slight bend in the cycle path but it is not too severe. 

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An emergency vehicle will not fit along the path currently created heading up Calton unless it mounts the new pavement  - I might be wrong but I thought the council had said that all emergency vehicles would have to go up Court Lane and cannot use Calton anymore?

Edited October 8, 2024 by Rockets

[march46]

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:13, Rockets said:

The curb stones are in though aren't they? The track and the new chicane is clear to see.

 

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They’ve completed one side. Not the other yet.

[Rockets]

Let's hope that is the case as, I am sure you'll agree, it's very tight at the moment. Are they going to be narrowing the pavement on the far side from the new kerb then?

Edited October 8, 2024 by Rockets

[ArmandHelpen1]

The new square looks fantastic! 
 

Will encourage so many more to walk and cycle and visit the local businesses. I would never have done so before as the pollution and congestion was just miserable: I already find we are spending more in the local shops and enjoying the local community more as a result.  

[Rockets]

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:59, ArmandHelpen1 said:

I already find we are spending more in the local shops and enjoying the local community more as a result.  

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Just not the hairdressers.....;-)

[march46]

  On 08/10/2024 at 13:56, Rockets said:

Let's hope that is the case as, I am sure you'll agree, it's very tight at the moment. Are they going to be narrowing the pavement on the far side from the new kerb then?

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Suggest you take a look at the plans