East Dulwich road closed?!?

[raptortruckman69]

Townley is completely at a standstill right now. A fellow motorist told me it's because East Dulwich Grove is temporarily closed.

 

Is this some sort of trial to sound out an extended LTN? Does anyone know what's going on??

 

[Mapil]

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/24591930.east-dulwich-grove-flat-fire-recap/

Due to a fire on flat the road was closed as fire brigade teams were there

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

  On 17/09/2024 at 18:53, raptortruckman69 said:

Is this some sort of trial to sound out an extended LTN?

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Yes. You probably heard about the Mayor's plan to pedestrianise Oxford St. This, and the associated press conference, was merely a diversionary tactic in The War On Motorists.

At precisely 1415 today, squads of saboteurs spread our across London, from Acton to East Dulwich to Seven Sisters. Key arteries were ripped up and tank traps installed to prevent vehicle traffic. The purpose was to bring traffic to boiling point and make people realise that we can't go on this way.

Unfortunately, the operation was a complete failure, as traffic in London is already at boiling point, and nobody noticed the difference.

[Spartacus]

  On 17/09/2024 at 20:50, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

Yes. You probably heard about the Mayor's plan to pedestrianise Oxford St. This, and the associated press conference, was merely a diversionary tactic in The War On Motorists.

At precisely 1415 today, squads of saboteurs spread our across London, from Acton to East Dulwich to Seven Sisters. Key arteries were ripped up and tank traps installed to prevent vehicle traffic. The purpose was to bring traffic to boiling point and make people realise that we can't go on this way.

Unfortunately, the operation was a complete failure, as traffic in London is already at boiling point, and nobody noticed the difference.

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Blimey Billy 

I never took.you as part of the tin foil hats brigade 

[KalamityKel]

You know East Dulwich Grove and East Dulwich Road are not the same right? 

Just thought I'd add that in before people get too excited over "trials", "extensions" and alien invasions 😉

[raptortruckman69]

Ok but it's not unlike them to close a major high capacity connection like Calton avenue. I could see them doing that for East Dulwich Grove.

[Spartacus]

  On 18/09/2024 at 06:01, KalamityKel said:

You know East Dulwich Grove and East Dulwich Road are not the same right? 

Just thought I'd add that in before people get too excited over "trials", "extensions" and alien invasions 😉

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Have the council members been replaced by the lizard People AGAIN? 

Oh my, we all need tin foil hats now to stop the radio signeks being picked up by our fillings  

Edited September 19, 2024 by Spartacus

[Guest]

There is a gas leak on East Dulwich Grove again, same place as always outside JAGS.

Once that is repaired there will be a water leak and so it goes on......................

[Nigello]

Perhaps it’s a good time, then, for those that can (but choose not to) to walk or cycle to the schools near to these roadworks? Just a thought…

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

  On 19/09/2024 at 10:37, Kathleen Olander said:

There is a gas leak on East Dulwich Grove again, same place as always outside JAGS.

Once that is repaired there will be a water leak and so it goes on......................

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These pipes fracture so frequently on Lordship Lane, and the South Circular, and East Dulwich Grove, because of the relentless volume and increasing weight of the vehicles driving over them.

[CPR Dave]

It's not just the volume of traffic, it's also the weight. 

 

All the new electric cars people buy are 50% heavier than petrol cars. A Tesla saloon weighs nearly two tons, more than most of the metaphorical 2 ton metal box ICE SUVs that environmentalists get so angry about.

The majority of EVs weigh more, closer to two and a half tons. 

The Volvo EX90 weighs almost three tons.

All these "clean" cars are having huge impact on the built environment.

Edited September 19, 2024 by CPR Dave

[malumbu]

Nissan leaf and other medium/small EVs well below 2 tonnes.  The motor industry has been supersizing cars for years and we buy them whether we need them or not 

[Spartacus]

Let's not forget the weight of buses and lorries, which are normally the main culprits in road damage and cracked pipes as the substrate layers can't cope. 

[tiddles]

And lack of maintenance by utility companies 

[CPR Dave]

The motor industry has been supersizing cars for years mostly to comply with EU safety legislation to protect cyclists and pedestrians in low speed collisions. 

 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

That's nonsense. It's because there's more profit margin in big cars. Increasing weight, height and volume increases, not reduces, the risk to other road users (including people in other cars).

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/end-sales-growth-suvs/

https://michaelschneider.medium.com/the-suv-arms-race-46cf2aae809b

[Earl Aelfheah]

  On 24/09/2024 at 20:23, CPR Dave said:

The motor industry has been supersizing cars for years mostly to comply with EU safety legislation to protect cyclists and pedestrians in low speed collisions. 

 

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As DogKennelhillbilly says, this is absolute nonsense. SUVs are much more dangerous, most notably because the high bonnet height leads to more head and upper body injuries. Some studies suggest that they are eight times more likely to kill a child in a collision (compared to a passenger car) and more than twice as likely to kill an adult. They are also much more likely to mount a kerb and smash through barriers etc (they were originally designed to be 'off road' vehicles after all). We saw the tragic consequences of that in the Wimbledon nursery crash.

Their growth in popularity is nothing to do with safety regs and all to do with marketing.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Earl Aelfheah

[malumbu]

Cars hot heavier many years ago to meet safety regs mainly to protect the occupants.  The move to heavier SUV type vehicles was later, due to marketing/induced consumer demand and in terms of Ford dropping the Fiesta model a silly decision.  Shame that some manufacturers swapped a ICE SUV for an EV SUV, Jaguar, Volvo, Audi etc 

Edited September 25, 2024 by malumbu

[Penguin68]

  On 25/09/2024 at 12:25, malumbu said:

The move to heavier SUV type vehicles was later, due to marketing/induced consumer demand and in terms of Ford dropping the Fiesta model a silly decision. 

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Do remember that SUV refers to Sports Utility Vehicles - that is Utility Vehicles (trucks, often used in e.g. construction etc.) with car bodies. The vast majority of SUV 'style' cars on the road are built on car, not truck, chassis and are certainly taller than a saloon, but very similar in profile to the people carriers we all became very familiar with in the past. Having an' SUV look' doesn't mean that the vehicle is built on a truck chassis. Just because it looks like an SUV it doesn't mean it is one. The Nissan Qashqai is a prime example of such a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

  On 25/09/2024 at 12:41, Penguin68 said:

Do remember that SUV refers to Sports Utility Vehicles - that is Utility Vehicles (trucks, often used in e.g. construction etc.) with car bodies.

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This definition, if it were ever useful in Europe where CAFE is not an issue, has long since been disposed of by the industry itself. SUV is a marketing term, not a technical one.