Football Focus

[Parkdrive]

???? Wrote:

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> a little bit of hatred is a good thing in

> football.....

I'm sure thats exactly what black players think when they get monkey chants in Eastern Europe, Italy, Turkey etc.

[????]

mmmm, gonna take that plank out your eye before you lecture others on 'hatred' in football........as the single most bile full poster on FF your lack of self awareness is making me chuckle.......

[Parkdrive]

???? Wrote:

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> mmmm, gonna take that plank out your eye before

> you lecture others on 'hatred' in

> football........as the single most bile full

> poster on FF your lack of self awareness is making

> me chuckle.......

Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking racial hatred here, or are you missing the point on purpose?

[StraferJack]

well, we weren't talking about racial hatred were we PD?

It was you who crowbarred it into a conversation about rivalry in british football

Not saying the problem you clearly want to talk about doesn?t exist (it does) but you might want to raise it as a separate topic instead of barging in on an unrelated one and complaining when people call you on it

[Parkdrive]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> well, we weren't talking about racial hatred were

> we PD?

>

> It was you who crowbarred it into a conversation

> about rivalry in british football

>

> Not saying the problem you clearly want to talk

> about doesn?t exist (it does) but you might want

> to raise it as a separate topic instead of barging

> in on an unrelated one and complaining when people

> call you on it

So theres a difference between racial hatred and hatred yes? EDF never fails to amaze me. And the racial issues I've posted about are to do with footabll, hence posts in FF. Call me on it? Hmm ok.

[StraferJack]

"So theres a difference between racial hatred and hatred yes?"

There is a difference between the mock( ?? ) hatred expressed between (say) you and Jah Lush, and the sort of violent racial hatred you talk about elsewhere, yes. Absolutely

But you already KNOW this so why are you charging around like a humourless bull in a china shop?

[red devil]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

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> > a little bit of hatred is a good thing in

> > football.....

>

>

> I'm sure thats exactly what black players think

> when they get monkey chants in Eastern Europe,

> Italy, Turkey etc.

Your post reads as if you're having a pop at ????, that he was somehow condoning racial hatred, which isn't the case. He wasn't referring to racial hatred, just the general hatred some fans have for other clubs/players, Spurs/Arsenal etc...

[Parkdrive]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> "So theres a difference between racial hatred and

> hatred yes?"

>

> There is a difference between the mock(?) hatred

> expressed between (say) you and Jah Lush, and the

> sort of violent racial hatred you talk about

> elsewhere, yes. Absolutely

>

> But you already KNOW this so why are you charging

> around like a humourless bull in a china shop?

I'm not and resent the fact that you're trying to prvoke a reaction. So you think the hatred as referred to by ????'s in general terms is ok on here but not race hate in football? And you've got the neck to call me humourless, so rich and hypocritical given the supposed sensitivity EDFers have demonstrated on here in the past. It must be catching.

[????]

I appreciate the support chaps but don't worry, way above Parkdrives intelligence to see my point.....

Parkdrive, don't infer I am racist ever you K*nt

[StraferJack]

"So you think the hatred as referred to by ????'s in general terms is ok on here but not race hate in football? "

The hatred referred to by ???? is WHAT YOU DO ALL THE TIME!!!!

a lot of people on here and across the country rib other teams and have a "hatred" of rivals. And as expressed by ???? (ie with tongue in cheek) then yes it is ok

And of course, no violent and racist hatred is NOT ok?

It's not hard to understand is it?

[StraferJack]

I don't think he is quids

At least I hope not

But then again, who can join the dots in his logic?

[????]

..and you lecturing on hatred on here with your constant, divisive, rude, belligerent, unfunny , vitriolic crap day after day spoiling this thread for many....lol

[Parkdrive]

???? Wrote:

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> I appreciate the support chaps but don't worry,

> way above Parkdrives intelligence to see my

> point.....

>

> Parkdrive, don't infer I am racist ever you K*nt

I didn't infer you were a racist, I said hatred is not a good thing you've taken it upon yourself to take it as an inference. K*nt? And you talk about intelligence? You're way above my intelligence alright.

[StraferJack]

here is PD just a couple of days ago

"The less said about the orcs the better. The pen? Seen them given, Charlie Adam, dirty no good c**t as Spurs know. A draw would have been fair but we didn't do enough to win."

Now, is that ?hatred??

Reads like it to me

Almost violent hatred

But not racist

So in PD logic, he DOES agree that not all hatred is the same

[Parkdrive]

???? Wrote:

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> ..and you lecturing on hatred on here with your

> constant, divisive, rude, belligerent, unfunny ,

> vitriolic crap day after day spoiling this thread

> for many....lol

Rude? This from you calling me a K*nt?

[Parkdrive]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> here is PD just a couple of days ago

>

> "The less said about the orcs the better. The pen?

> Seen them given, Charlie Adam, dirty no good c**t

> as Spurs know. A draw would have been fair but we

> didn't do enough to win."

>

> Now, is that ?hatred??

>

> Reads like it to me

>

> Almost violent hatred

>

> But not racist

>

> So in PD logic, he DOES agree that not all hatred

> is the same

And I think you'll find JAh also echoed my sentiment by calling him a bastard

[StraferJack]

I'm not trying to say you or others should or shouldn't have PD

I'm just using it as an example to show that there IS a difference between types of hatred - something you seemed unwilling to accept (to put it mildly) when quids pointed this out

[El Pibe]

Apparently Moyes looking to replace Rio with....a hammer (albeit a kiwi import).

Not sure we'll get 18 million, but surely over 10?

Not that we're a selling club lacking ambition of course.

[red devil]

Not seen that one EP, good player, but we're getting linked with so many players at the mo, best to take them all with the proverbial...

[Parkdrive]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > Parkdrive Wrote:

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> > So now that their star is on the wane and after

> > all

> > > the shit they've given to others, it's our

> turn

> > to

> > > laugh at your self made misery. And by the

> way,

> > I

> > > still hate Spurs,and the Chavs more than

> > United,

> > > but not by much.

> >

> >

> > What about Stoke City?

>

>

> The less said about the orcs the better. The pen?

> Seen them given, Charlie Adam, dirty no good c**t

> as Spurs know. A draw would have been fair but we

> didn't do enough to win.

Adam banned for 3 games by the FA. There's a first time for everything.

[Mick Mac]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2573330/George-Best-Bobby-Moore-Alan-Hansen-Golden-Years-Tunnel-special.html

Golden Years photos

(....oh and calm down dears...:) )

[maxxi]

red devil Wrote:

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> Not seen that one EP, good player, but we're

> getting linked with so many players at the mo,

> best to take them all with the proverbial...

And Reid's being linked with other clubs too (ManC, Arsenal) - he might wait and see where United are before he jumps and Sam cashes in and buys a 'big strong lad' to play... well, anywhere.

[Otta]

Wow, I go away for the day and it all kicks off.

PD, I honestly don't think you can compare "we hate man u, we hate man u" (or any other club) with racial hatred, they're not even in the same ball park.

Quids probably shouldn't have stooped to calling you a name, but you did basically suggest he was a bit racist, and I'd probably call someone the same thing if they called me a racist.

What Quids called "hatred" was basically old skool fan rivalry. For example, Arsenal hate Spurs, Spurs hate Arsenal, this is an old local rivalry. Most fans today probably don't live locally, but will still say they hate each other. Dig deeper, and there is no actual hatred from most of the fans except a few hard core nutters, but it's just a throw away word in this context. "I fuckin hate Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/Man U...".

Hating someone for the colour of their skin / the country they were born in is not even similar.

[Jah Lush]

Good post Otta. Spot on.

Anyway, watching the England match tonight and they're playing like a bunch of strangers. Rooney in particular is showing how "world class" he is - i.e = rubbish.

[Parkdrive]

Otta Wrote:

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> Wow, I go away for the day and it all kicks off.

>

> PD, I honestly don't think you can compare "we

> hate man u, we hate man u" (or any other club)

> with racial hatred, they're not even in the same

> ball park.

>

> Quids probably shouldn't have stooped to calling

> you a name, but you did basically suggest he was a

> bit racist, and I'd probably call someone the same

> thing if they called me a racist.

>

> What Quids called "hatred" was basically old skool

> fan rivalry. For example, Arsenal hate Spurs,

> Spurs hate Arsenal, this is an old local rivalry.

> Most fans today probably don't live locally, but

> will still say they hate each other. Dig deeper,

> and there is no actual hatred from most of the

> fans except a few hard core nutters, but it's just

> a throw away word in this context. "I @#$%& hate

> Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/Man U...".

>

> Hating someone for the colour of their skin / the

> country they were born in is not even similar.

I neither called him or inferred that he was a racist at any point.