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Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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> Liking Paddy Power on the Celtic result:

>

> "it was a tough game in tough conditions" ..it was

> a game against a team of shopkeepers in a holiday

> resort

>

> Anyone seen Mick M BTW?



Oooh. Powder dry but now in the CL proper.


Oooh. And a star on the shirt too. Have a look at yours.

titch juicy

titch juicy

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I've just realised that Man City will go into pot 2 of the CL draw and Spurs into pot 3. In spite of Spurs finishing 3rd and City finishing 4th.


Apparently co-efficients based on the last 5 years of European competiton determine this.


How is this even approaching fair? Surely it's just designed to keep the established European teams in the competitions at the expense of newer teams trying to break in.


Grossly unfair.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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If you are a habitual domestic league winner (eg Barca) and that habitual winner happens to drop a place in their domestic league it doesn't stop you being a pot 1 team.


We wouldn't want Barcelona to be a pot two team - what chance would the pot 3 and pot 4 teams have with a pot 1 team (eg Bayern or Real Madrid) + Barca in the group?


That's why its done over a longer period and considered fair - its fair to the other teams in the group.

titch juicy

titch juicy

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> If you are a habitual domestic league winner (eg

> Barca) and that habitual winner happens to drop a

> place in their domestic league it doesn't stop you

> being a pot 1 team.

>

> We wouldn't want Barcelona to be a pot two team -

> what chance would the pot 3 and pot 4 teams have

> with a pot 1 team (eg Bayern or Real Madrid) +

> Barca in the group?

>

> That's why its done over a longer period and

> considered fair - its fair to the other teams in

> the group.


Of course we'd want Barca to drop down to pot 2 if they dropped in form in the league. That would suggest they weren't as good as the previous year and should be seeded accordingly. Conversely if they weren't as good as previous years, they shouldn't be good enough for pot 1 and out of their depth.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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titch juicy Wrote:

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> Of course we'd want Barca to drop down to pot 2 if

> they dropped in form in the league. That would

> suggest they weren't as good as the previous year

> and should be seeded accordingly. Conversely if

> they weren't as good as previous years, they

> shouldn't be good enough for pot 1 and out of

> their depth.


and if you believe that you'll believe anything.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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I get yours - I'm not sure you get mine - which is UEFA's thinking. They are trying to ensure the group chances are fair for all four teams in each group, not some more heavily weighted than others and they believe that more than just last years performances is the best way to achieve it.


I agree with them - its a bit like, form is temporary class is permanent.

titch juicy

titch juicy

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Do you really believe that's their thinking? And it's not in place to protect the bigger teams? They couldn't give a shit about the smaller teams.


Football is all about form and teams should be seeded or judged on form.


In this format teams are being given a leg-up just because they've done well in the past.


It's like saying that Man City and Chelsea should only have to play lower positioned teams in the premier league for the first 6 weeks of the season because they've won the league some time in the past 5 seasons.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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I know what you are saying - Its easier to understand if you think outside England. England has a bit more turnover than Spain Germany etc. Noone wants Barca or Bayern to be in Pot 2.


And the evidence that they do give a shit about the smaller teams in Platini's decision a few years ago to have (in the qualifying rounds and play offs) a champions route whereby champions of smaller countries (Israel / Scotland / Poland / Ireland) play each other rather than playing a fourth place team from the big leagues - eg Man City.


Without that I doubt Celtic would be in the group stages - neither would Legia Warsaw. It would eventually be big league teams only if it had been allowed to continue.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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Rangers drew last night.


Barton yet to make his mark


Barton was ineffective again, his main involvement being on the end of the terrible tackle that earned Killie teenager Taylor a red card just after the hour.


The Englishman was anonymous. Wasteful in possession, passive as a defensive midfielder and a non-event going forward. Eventually he was replaced by Niko Kranjcar. He walked to the bench, shaking his head as he went.

Otta

Otta

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Don't know what to make of that. Barton, despite being a muppet, has got quality. But he's no spring chicken. But everyone is allowed a bad day, perhaps it was just that.



Either way, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone take so much interest in their rivals as you MM.

Mick Mac

Mick Mac

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Otta Wrote:

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> Don't know what to make of that. Barton, despite

> being a muppet, has got quality. But he's no

> spring chicken. But everyone is allowed a bad day,

> perhaps it was just that.

>

>

> Either way, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone

> take so much interest in their rivals as you MM.


The next Celtic game is the first Old Firm SPL game for 4 years Otta.


Since Barton signed he's been shouting the odds about Celtic on Twitter week on week along with slating Scott Brown so everyone is looking forward to them facing each other on 10 Sep.


What however Barton might not have been expecting was to be handed his balls on a plate each week by midfielders of mediocre opposition, which is how it's gone for him so far.


The green side of Glasgow finds it all quite amusing. However I'm genuinely interested is how he looks next time out. He was a marquee signing for Rangers, so there you go.

SCSB79

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Since Barton signed he's been shouting the odds

> about Celtic on Twitter week on week along with

> slating Scott Brown so everyone is looking forward

> to them facing each other on 10 Sep.

>

> What however Barton might not have been expecting

> was to be handed his balls on a plate each week by

> midfielders of mediocre opposition, which is how

> it's gone for him so far.

>


Shouting the odds? Think he made one comment about how he thought he was better than Brown.

One comment about how he'd not meet your manager out and about in Glasgow as he doubts they'd frequent the same establishments (that was actually a radio interview not Twitter) and then one comment about how lucky Celtic were to make the Champions League?

Can you argue against any of those points?

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Peckhamgatecrasher

Peckhamgatecrasher

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Good article. Why does the word corruption float to the top of my mind?


There is no doubt, more housing is needed, but why not let it grow organically out of the Millwall community hub? You just know that the new neighbours will be of the cock crowing-, church bell ringing-complaining variety.


Is that too cynical for a Saturday morning?

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Just as well PGC. I enjoyed the Manchester derby if not the result. City were very good especially in the first half. Not sure what to say about United. Great goal by Zlat and we should have had a pen. Maybe time for Rashford to start games. I'm not sure what Smalling has done wrong. I like Blind but maybe not as a centre half. Great season in store I think meaning generally.

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