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Parkdrive

Parkdrive

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> They're not exactly defenders though.



Regardless of the fact that they aren't defenders Yanited should have enough about them not to get turned over like that. At least you'd think so given the reaction by some on here to their arrival at the club, which is almost akin to the second coming of the messiah, guess they aren't the answer despite the huge amounts spent.

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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> > PD - totally uncalled for and out of order

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> Actually no it isn't, and how about you mind your

> own business? My comments are for his consumption

> not yours.


You're just plain ignorant PD.

maxxi

maxxi

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> > When they win he's a genius, when they don't it

> aint his

> > fault.

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> You were the exact opposite last season, when the

> 'ammers won it was in spite of BFS...



You do realise that was meant as BFS's take on things, not mine? I think yesterday's hammering must have tilted your irony receptors RD. Where have I said BFS was responsible for Saturday's win? I DID say it was in spite of him last year and the win against Liverpool was the same - it was still DESPITE BFS, just that on both occasions he claimed it was his doing.


As has been pointed out it was more down the Teddy's input and his influence on the new boys - and the absence of BFS's bezzer Nolan (long may he stay out) and the effect that has had on Noble (imo).

Parkdrive

Parkdrive

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > > PD - totally uncalled for and out of order

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> > Actually no it isn't, and how about you mind

> your

> > own business? My comments are for his

> consumption

> > not yours.

>

> You're just plain ignorant PD.



Alan you're just a tool. Do one

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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> > > > PD - totally uncalled for and out of order

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> > > Actually no it isn't, and how about you mind

> > your

> > > own business? My comments are for his

> > consumption

> > > not yours.

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> > You're just plain ignorant PD.

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> Alan you're just a tool. Do one


PD, your latest remark is very offensive. Are you trying to get banned again? This is a thread about football FFS.

aquarius moon

aquarius moon

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Come on PD. This IS a football thread which is obviously going to bring out strong feelings.


Everybody has love for their own team & hatred for others & those that support them.


Heated arguments are always going to occur but there is really no need to be nasty & offensive to make a point.


Try to be nicer & you will probably find others are nicer back.

red devil

red devil

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> > -----

> > > When they win he's a genius, when they don't

> it

> > aint his

> > > fault.

> >

> > You were the exact opposite last season, when

> the

> > 'ammers won it was in spite of BFS...

>

>

> You do realise that was meant as BFS's take on

> things, not mine? I think yesterday's hammering

> must have tilted your irony receptors RD. Where

> have I said BFS was responsible for Saturday's

> win? I DID say it was in spite of him last year

> and the win against Liverpool was the same - it

> was still DESPITE BFS, just that on both occasions

> he claimed it was his doing.

>

> As has been pointed out it was more down the

> Teddy's input and his influence on the new boys -

> and the absence of BFS's bezzer Nolan (long may he

> stay out) and the effect that has had on Noble

> (imo).


Yes I do realise that was your take on BFS's view of the world. The point I was making was that your personal view on BFS is cut from the same cloth...you could be twins! :)

maxxi

maxxi

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Don't be silly. My view on BFS is a constant. And the 'in spite of' referred, as I remember, to the League Cup game against Spurs when a thrown-together team won against Allardyce's wishes - he wanted us out of the cup (a task he managed emphatically with the next game against ManC) - meaning that even when he selected a team to lose he couldn't.


I think your historical defences of the man betray a secret admiration of BFS really (not that I blame you for casting your eye around after your last couple of managers) - perhaps you want some of his gritty northern stability?


I think he'd be a natural for one of them northern clubs like Blackburn or Burnley or one of the Manchesters.

red devil

red devil

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I'm not saying your view on BFS isn't constant, it is. And I'm pretty sure that view is that any success WH have is in spite of BFS, not because of him...true? If not, what do you give him credit for? Does he get credit for keeping you up last season, and what about the previous season when you won promotion?


My defence of BFS started when you and other WH fans wanted him sacked in January. My argument was that you should keep him as he would give you the best chance of staying up. Staying in the PL was/is very important with the stadium move looming up...Pragmatism > Academy idealism if you like. Look at Fulham now, could easily have been WH if you'd sacked him...

maxxi

maxxi

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Yes it's back to that argument of pragmatism v romanticism. I have enough reality and make-the-best-of in day to day life and football is my escape, my entertainment which I, sometimes, pay for and have expectations of.


My expectations are for the club I love to try and play a certain way and when the manager says A. That there IS no such thing as a 'West Ham way' and B. If there was, it's called "losing games" my feeling is, well fuck off then and let someone who thinks differently take over instead of insisting lump and thump is the ONLY way to play. One week he'd say that it was the only way to win and the next he'd say he didn't play that way.


I've said before it might mean going down before rising again but it would be based on something more than an outdated and limited philosophy and would be good to watch. The trouble at the moment is this benighted move to the Olympic graveyard and our Chairmen's desire for the status quo above all - only a possible fan revolt that might mean staying away from the new venue prompted them to interfere.


I give - and gave - him credit for promotion - I can't remember what I said at the time but something about he'd done a job getting the club up but now it was time to get rid of him and get someone in who worked with more creativity and imagination etc. When a club gets promoted everyone agrees you need to upgrade the playing staff - in this case we needed to upgrade the manager.


When he was given the "change style or else" ultimatum I was (quote) "willing to believe a buffoon can - if not change his spots - at least stay sat on his arse and be content to take home his massively inflated wage packet and not interfere with the team but rather let his players do what they do best." - I stick by that as it actually seems to be happening, at least a little.


If he DOES see the light and we continue to play as we did against Liverpool I am willing to, if not hail his Damascene conversion as a modern day football miracle, at least think he is smart enough not to keep interfering with Teddy S's re-invigoration of the team.


I would, ordinarily, say that you, as a ManU fan, could not possibly understand that for some fans it is not just about winning all the time - but maybe that's a touchy subject right now... :)

Parkdrive

Parkdrive

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> > > > Actually no it isn't, and how about you

> mind

> > > your

> > > > own business? My comments are for his

> > > consumption

> > > > not yours.

> > >

> > > You're just plain ignorant PD.

> >

> >

> > Alan you're just a tool. Do one

>

> PD, your latest remark is very offensive. Are you

> trying to get banned again? This is a thread about

> football FFS.


First things first. I qouted Red Devils words and you decided to jump in stating that you hoped we get suffed by Yanited. Why did you take such exception to me quoting someone elses words? Red Devil clearly feels Angel fooking Di Maria, his words not mine, would be pivotal in turning things around. Judging by Sundays capitulation that isn't going to happen. If you are going to be negative about a team you don't follow, and you get lambasted for same, please don't act surprised and try to play the victim. Your posts on the EDF clearly indicate you are no shrinking violet, so why act like the injured party when another poster uses language which I'm sure you're no stranger to. And why should I be banned? Because you don't like my response to your post? Have you become so precious that nobody dares answer you back. FFS indeed.

red devil

red devil

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> I would, ordinarily, say that you, as a ManU fan,

> could not possibly understand that for some fans

> it is not just about winning all the time - but

> maybe that's a touchy subject right now... :)



Well I'm old enough to have supported my team during the days when we were royslly shite, which included a relegation, so I would've understood...

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