Peckham-mania !

[david_carnell]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > I'll wager most of the people who have recently

> > moved to Peckham don't shop there. They shop in

> > East Dulwich.

>

>

> And it seems that a lot of the people who recently

> moved to East Dulwich now socialise in Peckham.

>

> Organic meats, fish, veg and home comforts in a

> safe environment by day in East Dulwich, edgy

> vibes by night in Peckham.

Don't shop in Peckham? Why? Even if you are suggesting that Rye Lane's excellent value produce doesn't appeal, Bellenden Road now has a top quality butcher; the General Store selling provisons, deli goods and fresh fruit and veg; Andersons which stocks the best bread in London; and a great Payless for run-of-the-mill bits and bobs.

I rarely bother shopping in ED anymore tbh. It's your own prejudices and leaps of judgement that are in error here.

[Bellenden Belle]

>

> Don't shop in Peckham? Why? Even if you are

> suggesting that Rye Lane's excellent value produce

> doesn't appeal, Bellenden Road now has a top

> quality butcher; the General Store selling

> provisons, deli goods and fresh fruit and veg;

> Andersons which stocks the best bread in London;

> and a great Payless for run-of-the-mill bits and

> bobs.

>

> I rarely bother shopping in ED anymore tbh. It's

> your own prejudices and leaps of judgement that

> are in error here.

And that's before you consider Persepolis and Wing-Tai for ingredients that you just can't find on Lordship Lane (or at least not for a reasonable price) and then hopping to our other nearby neighbourhead, Nunhead, for fish at Sopers, coffee and provisions at Bambuni, and another excellent old-school greengrocer.

[Mick Mac]

My post was about people from East Dulwich socialising in Peckham.

Quote the correct post please.

[edhistory]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> And it seems that a lot of the people who recently

> moved to East Dulwich now socialise in Peckham.

>

> Organic meats, fish, veg and home comforts in a

> safe environment by day in East Dulwich, edgy

> vibes by night in Peckham.

But not too far outside the safety of the original East Dulwich Parish boundary.

John K

[david_carnell]

I did. You said:

"Organic meats, fish, veg and home comforts in a safe environment by day in East Dulwich"

Implying that a) Peckham isn't safe and b) this disparate group of people you've conveniently lumped together don't shop there.

JL said:

"I'll wager most of the people who have recently moved to Peckham don't shop there. They shop in East Dulwich."

Both nonsense from the busy shops I see every week.

[MrBen]

> But not too far outside the safety of the original

> East Dulwich Parish boundary.

>

> John K

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Mick Mac]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> I did. You said:

>

> "Organic meats, fish, veg and home comforts in a

> safe environment by day in East Dulwich"

>

> Implying that a) Peckham isn't safe and b) this

> disparate group of people you've conveniently

> lumped together don't shop there.

>

You must be paranoid. I implied nothing of the sort. East dulwich people shop in ED as is to be expected from the place they chose to buy a home - but more and more of them seem to head to peckham for their nightlife.

[david_carnell]

Ah, so you're only talking about ED residents? My mistake. Apologies.

[Mick Mac]

Accepted :)

[Girl82]

It would be amazing if M&S were to come back to Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their planning application through on Lordship Lane, so maybe they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but dream...

Louisa Wrote:

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> What Peckham do you recall then which is so

> different? As has been discussed, people in London

> often live in the same place but are basically in

> a parallel universe. We all live different lives

> depending on any number of factors. The Peckham I

> remember as a child was largely white and working

> class. There were pockets of wealth along grove

> park towards Camberwell and out towards Dulwich

> proper, but overall it was a largely poor area. It

> took the main shopping street a long time to catch

> up with demographic change. The area still had an

> M&S and Sainsburys until the late 80s, and from a

> socio-economic point of view they probably should

> have closed down 20 years earlier. The departure

> of major department stores on Rye Lane from a

> retail point of view didnt always match the

> fortunes of the surrounding streets and areas, and

> the emergence of ED as a gentrified neighbour is a

> good example of this.

>

> Louisa.

[LondonLogCo]

Is returning houses to their original condition & opening an independent shop/bussiness considered as "Gentrification"

How odd.

[Jah Lush]

Bellenden Road area accepted. I'm specifically talking about Rye Lane. You wouldn't purchase your meat from there now would you DC?

[Bellenden Belle]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Bellenden Road area accepted. I'm specifically

> talking about Rye Lane. You wouldn't purchase your

> meat from there now would you DC?

Actually we regularly buy our lamb from United Meats, which is directly opposite Peckham Library. We buy lamb only because of animal welfare reasons but we certainly don't have a problem purchasing meat on the grounds of health or hygiene reasons. Similarly we would be unlikely to buy any meat other than lamb from a supermarket for the same reasons.

[Girl82]

I certainly wouldn't buy my meat on Rye Lane for hygiene reasons. The sight of those skinned chickens in the butchers, strung up by their necks in 30C heat with flies buzzing around, isn't exactly appealing. I do buy fruit and veg from there sometimes though.

[Girl82]

I know. I reckon some people think that wanting businesses not to dump litter on the streets is considered "gentrification" too.

LondonLogCo Wrote:

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> Is returning houses to their original condition &

> opening an independent shop/bussiness considered

> as "Gentrification"

>

> How odd.

[JohnL]

I'd say there are individual signs of gentrification - but

you need a number of individual signs before a process can

be said to be present.

I still seem to be the only person who wants more coffee shops :)

LondonLogCo Wrote:

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> Is returning houses to their original condition &

> opening an independent shop/bussiness considered

> as "Gentrification"

>

> How odd.

[Jah Lush]

Bellenden Belle Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > Bellenden Road area accepted. I'm specifically

> > talking about Rye Lane. You wouldn't purchase

> your

> > meat from there now would you DC?

>

> Actually we regularly buy our lamb from United

> Meats, which is directly opposite Peckham Library.

So, not on Rye Lane then.

[KidKruger]

Girl82: I certainly wouldn't buy my meat on Rye Lane for hygiene reasons.

I get my goat on Rye Lane, for some weird reason William Rose and the butcher by the Plough don't sell it.

I buck the trend mentioned earlier, live in ED but shop mostly in Rye Lane for grocery/household stuff. Better density of choice on Rye Lane.

[Mick Mac]

Bellenden is East Dulwich anyway.

Don't give me any cr*p about postcodes.

[david_carnell]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Bellenden Belle Wrote:

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> > Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > > Bellenden Road area accepted. I'm

> specifically

> > > talking about Rye Lane. You wouldn't purchase

> > your

> > > meat from there now would you DC?

> >

> > Actually we regularly buy our lamb from United

> > Meats, which is directly opposite Peckham

> Library.

>

>

> So, not on Rye Lane then.

Near as dammit, man. Don't be a pedant. And I've used Hartes in the past too for offal.

[LondonMix]

They are appealing that decision and its going to a formal hearing so they are fighting quite tenaciously for the Lordship Lane location still.

Girl82 Wrote:

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> It would be amazing if M&S were to come back to

> Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their planning

> application through on Lordship Lane, so maybe

> they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but

> dream...

>

>

>

[Girl82]

Thanks LondonMix. I really think Rye Lane would be a much better place for M&S personally! But I guess hell will freeze over before M&S would come to Rye Lane. Does anyone think there is any chance of that at all?

LondonMix Wrote:

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> They are appealing that decision and its going to

> a formal hearing so they are fighting quite

> tenaciously for the Lordship Lane location still.

>

> Girl82 Wrote:

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> > It would be amazing if M&S were to come back to

> > Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their

> planning

> > application through on Lordship Lane, so maybe

> > they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but

> > dream...

> >

> >

> >

[JohnL]

Ironically I guess if M&S food, Starbucks etc. opened in Rye Lane

they'd probably be packed out, unlike Curry's and WHSmith who

struggled.

But still slightly to early in the process although I reckon a

chain coffee shop (I know that's not popular with some) within

the year - maybe on the south end.

Girl82 Wrote:

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> Thanks LondonMix. I really think Rye Lane would be

> a much better place for M&S personally! But I

> guess hell will freeze over before M&S would come

> to Rye Lane. Does anyone think there is any chance

> of that at all?

>

> LondonMix Wrote:

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> > They are appealing that decision and its going

> to

> > a formal hearing so they are fighting quite

> > tenaciously for the Lordship Lane location

> still.

> >

> > Girl82 Wrote:

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> > > It would be amazing if M&S were to come back

> to

> > > Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their

> > planning

> > > application through on Lordship Lane, so

> maybe

> > > they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but

> > > dream...

> > >

> > >

> > >

[MrBen]

It WILL start to happen and soon. Last time I was in Peckham Refreshment Rooms there was a bank manager, a surveyor and a man with a beard eyeing up the empty units between my Iberian ham and Hairball World.

[edhistory]

Is that one of the ugly art deco units that some people want to destroy?

John K