lane lover Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/esmagazine/peckhamania-out-on-the-town-in-londons-newest-hotspot-8739833.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Obviously written by a jounalist.[Clive Martin] Count the errors.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopamine1979 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Nice article. I keep meaning to check out Frank's. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 edhistory Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Obviously written by a jounalist.> > > > Count the errors.> > JSurely you've already done that John? Why not list them for our entertainment? Don't keep all the jollity to yourself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It's a bit tight moving this to the lounge. Peckham and ED are virtually family. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrot Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 "Sculptor Douglas White, 36, another Peckham-based creative, can see a similar trajectory to Dalston?s a few years back. ?I mostly had studios in Hackney for the past ten years, and walking down Rye Lane definitely reminds me of Kingsland Road at that time. I love that vibrancy and gentle chaos.?you patronising cuntalso, your name rhymes with shite Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrot Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 se15 is dead to me now Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 People rhyming shite with white as an insult are on shaky foundations if they are claiming any sort of moral high ground Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 *yawn* Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 If you called your dad he could stop it all. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Mickey Smith 'founded the Bussey Building'?! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrot Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Peckhnam is entirely populated by White M/C creatives judging by that article. oh sorry, gangs of kids on bikes represent the non white , non m/c non creativesBraaaaaaap Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Went to KERB yesterday evening. I couldn't help but notice that the large crowd was remarkably unrepresentative of the local population. The majority of the black people to be seen there were the very friendly security staff (3 of them), otherwise white with a smattering of Asian folk.This statement may rankle some people, BUT it was very, very noticeable. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 London is in a constant state of change. Demographics change. Places change. Peckham is no different- it started out as a poor rural community on the Surrey/London border, it became a respectable middle-class London suburb by the turn of the 20th century, then gradually a largely poor white working class inner city neighbourhood by the middle of that century, and as the decades have passed it has become a mixed ethnic minority majority community. It's now in a state of change once again as early signs of gentrification take hold and students/artists as well as predominantly white middle class families move in to buy up the relatively underpriced by London standards housing stock. That's London for you. Change is inevitable. Either embrace change or move somewhere else. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 > it started out as a poor rural community on the Surrey/London borderIt might be worth pointing out that Peckham has never been near the Surrey border.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Ok good point. But for the sake of splitting hairs Peckham was historically a village in the county of Surrey before London expanded. Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I noticed the same thing at the PeckMex or whatever it was, streetfood festival a couple of weekends ago. Not representative at all. Sad really. Similarly the Peckham Society (which is fabulous for the historical knowledge sharing of the history of Peckham) is not representative but that's understandable. If you were to take a hundred people walking down Rye Lane at any one time would they be representative of SE15? Not a clue mate. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraferJack Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 If an event happens, and isn't populated by the local demographic, and people want to point that fact out, what exactly is the point being made?The event is good/bad?Should/shouldn't happen?Does it matter? Shouldn't the event be judged on its own merits? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I was walking along Rye Lane this morning. The mix of folk looked pretty representative to me. But what do I know?I did wonder how many of the shopkeepers and their customers are members of Peckham Vision.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Palaeologus Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey Building, not Rye Lane.It matters because if the development of Peckham is to be supported by events such as this, the events should be representative of Peckham. It was a good event that maybe could have been marketed better. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I went to the Mazey Day Carnival event in Penzance some weeks ago. A cornish event, held in a Cornish town. I'd estimate that 2/3 of the people at least were not from Cornwall, they were holiday makers. But does this indicate anything about the event being a positive or negative thing for the area? I'd suggest not. It's still promoting the place, and it's bringing money and potentially investment into the area. How is this different to Peckham or anywhere else for that matter?Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I dunno mike... its not an ideal situation, but lack of integration is not specific to this event. Or indeed Peckham. It's a complex subject. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annette Curtain Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Michael Palaeologus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey> Building, not Rye Lane.> events should be representative of Peckham <Expand please MichaelThe KERB event is a traveling food circus, open to all. You either know about it or you don't. But bear in mind it's only the second time it's been there, so many who were there already knew of the event in other areas, me included.Last time I went there was an African church kicking out, the congregation really didn't seem to know quite what had hit the space as they left church.In all I thought that was fairly representative of the area. Lots of events running in parallel & in parallel universes, as they do.Generally tho, I don't do face counts at events. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 > Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey Building, not Rye Lane.Since you posted a couple of people broadened the discussion.I have difficulty recognising Louisa's history of Peckham. It's not the Peckham I knew, it's not the Peckham of reminiscences published in the Peckham Society News, it's not the Peckham of the history books. It's almost as if Lousia did shopping along Rye Lane and never ventured into the side streets. John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 edhistory Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> > Huh? I was talking about an event at the Bussey> Building, not Rye Lane.> > Since you posted a couple of people broadened the> discussion.> > I have difficulty recognising Louisa's history of> Peckham. It's not the Peckham I knew, it's not the> Peckham of reminiscences published in the Peckham> Society News, it's not the Peckham of the history> books. It's almost as if Lousia did shopping along> Rye Lane and never ventured into the side streets.> > > John KWhat Peckham do you recall then which is so different? As has been discussed, people in London often live in the same place but are basically in a parallel universe. We all live different lives depending on any number of factors. The Peckham I remember as a child was largely white and working class. There were pockets of wealth along grove park towards Camberwell and out towards Dulwich proper, but overall it was a largely poor area. It took the main shopping street a long time to catch up with demographic change. The area still had an M&S and Sainsburys until the late 80s, and from a socio-economic point of view they probably should have closed down 20 years earlier. The departure of major department stores on Rye Lane from a retail point of view didnt always match the fortunes of the surrounding streets and areas, and the emergence of ED as a gentrified neighbour is a good example of this.Louisa. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34910-peckham-mania/#findComment-667389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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