The Grove Tavern

[pclancey]

Does anyone know what's happening with The Grove Tavern on the corner of Lordship lane and the A205?
There is a new fence around the building. 🤷‍♂️

[Patatina]

I'm guessing it's to stop break ins. There was a dog patrol van present for a couple of months prior to this new fence going up.

We can only hope it's a sign that something will finally happen with the building.

[alice]

Someone may be able to remind us when the pubs lease is up with Dulwich Estates. 

[Glemham]

According to an article in Southwark News in 2017 the lease will be up next year, 2025. Meanwhile the leaseholder, Stonegate Pubs is looking at re-finanacing a debt of £2.3 billion in July of this year.

The Dulwich Estate which owns the building is very secretive about any plans whilst pocketing an alleged £100,000 every year from Stonegate (which is owned by a hedge fund registered in the Cayman Islands). The building is on the Dulwich Wood Conservation Area. Southwark Council are responsible for protecting the site and have powers to make owners renovate dilapidated property.

So since The Grove closed 10 or so years ago and started to slide into the disgraceful sight it is now, neither the Estate nor Southwark seem to have been able /willing to effect any change. 

 

[ab29]

https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/dulwich/dulwichs-grove-tavern-a-symbol-of-neglect-in-a-neighbourhood-obsessed-with-perfection/?dicbo=v2-upJJy46#dygxga9rkmu

[SpringTime]

Please Admin, there are already several threads on this issue. Would you kindly merge?   X

[ab29]

Yeah? Can you post the links to other threads?

Edited November 8, 2024 by ab29

[Sue]

  On 08/11/2024 at 18:58, ab29 said:

Yeah? Can you post the links to other threads?

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There is a search facility on here which will bring them up if you want to read them.

[ab29]

Thanks Sue, still nit sure where to post. Anyway.

With Starmer saying they want to build on green belt land, how can places like this been empty for years, not developed, redesigned etc.

[ianr]

This search https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/search/?&q="grove tavern"&quick=1&search_and_or=and&start_after=year&sortby=relevancy found ten hits, only one of which looks current and relevant: https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/312607-derelict-grove-tavern/?do=findComment&comment=1644778.

 

[nivag]

There was a company doing a survey this morning when I went past.

Someone must have plans for the building.

[CPR Dave]

They should turn into a hostel for homeless people or asylum seekers. 

You could fit good quality accommodation on that site for four or five hundred refugees.

[ab29]

Or turn it into affordable flats for local residents who are currently renting

[jazzer]

Or return it to a restaurant pub or even better would be a Superb site and Location for our very own, yes, you guessed it, smack in between Forest Hill and East Dulwich and North Dulwich and West Dulwich and Herne Hill and Tulse Hill, yes our very , very own, no not a diy store but you guessed it, I'm sure you all want a brand spanking shinny new Lidl. I know the idea may upset a minority but the just consider all the benefits it will bring and the majority would be ecstatic to have a low budget supermarket in our locality. 

[Sue]

  On 08/11/2024 at 23:22, jazzer said:

Or return it to a restaurant pub or even better would be a Superb site and Location for our very own, yes, you guessed it, smack in between Forest Hill and East Dulwich and North Dulwich and West Dulwich and Herne Hill and Tulse Hill, yes our very , very own, no not a diy store but you guessed it, I'm sure you all want a brand spanking shinny new Lidl. I know the idea may upset a minority but the just consider all the benefits it will bring and the majority would be ecstatic to have a low budget supermarket in our locality. 

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I love Lidl, but that would be a rubbish site for it, and there is one a short bus ride away in Camberwell.

Where I will be heading to get my Christmas lebkuchen ❤️

[malumbu]

I'll do an order from Lidl in Sydenham if you ask nicely 😁

[Sue]

  On 09/11/2024 at 23:23, malumbu said:

I'll do an order from Lidl in Sydenham if you ask nicely 😁

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Thanks, but I quite enjoy wandering around Lidl and seeing what's in their centre aisle 🤣

Also they have interesting snacky things at Christmas.

Is the one in Sydenham bigger? I can't remember. 

Sorry admin,  off topic. As you were!

Edited November 10, 2024 by Sue

[jazzer]

One in camberwell is small, my favourite is the one up the Old Kent Road near Ilderton Road, big and spacious

[gebbjane]

The one in Peckham is a lot bigger and brighter than Camberwell one.  Haven’t been to the old Kent rd one in years might pop down and compare.

Edited November 10, 2024 by gebbjane

[Azalea]

It’s a shame that the Aldi in Old Kent Road disappeared a few years ago.  I thought it was supposed to be rebuilt alongside some new flats.

[Jojo65]

Yes, they’re still building 168 new flats , the project to be completed by 2025🤞🏼The scheme will create a new Aldi store, 168 new homes including 36 per cent affordable housing.

This space will rehouse Aldi in a much improved and modernised unit 😀

[Pugwash]

A Premier Inn or Travel Lodge would be ideal. There was a big write up in last week's Southwark News. Dulwich Estates are refusing to answer questions.

[teddyboy23]

Gigantic poundland

[malumbu]

  On 10/11/2024 at 12:47, jazzer said:

One in camberwell is small, my favourite is the one up the Old Kent Road near Ilderton Road, big and spacious

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Yes that one is great.  Sydenham is small, they have done up the larger one on Southend Road towards Downham 

[Azalea]

  On 10/11/2024 at 15:25, Jojo65 said:

 

Yes, they’re still building 168 new flats , the project to be completed by 2025🤞🏼The scheme will create a new Aldi store, 168 new homes including 36 per cent affordable housing.

This space will rehouse Aldi in a much improved and modernised unit 😀

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That’s great news.