Election Time - 2024

[malumbu]

Depends on how far Europe has moved.  Worryingly.  Coz Farage's end game is to move the Tories to the right.  Last time it was for a hard Brexit, hang the consequences 

So slippery.

Labour will have mentioned Truss, but stray away from Osbourne/decline in public services/social care/NHS waiting lists and the need to reposition ourselves in Europe with closer EU relations.

According to the Tories we won't have another election as with Starmer in charge their will be nuclear armigeddon 

[alice]

In five years, Tories will become subsumed into a right wing party. Labour greens and LibDems will join forces. The same thing will happen over Europe.
 

[Neil_R]

Two neoliberal main parties unwilling to borrow to invest or tax the rich because their jobs come before the country, can't wait to see which version of the tory party wins.. 

[Spartacus]

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

According to the Tories we won't have another election as with Starmer in charge their will be nuclear armigeddon 

Possibly right, triggered by one of three things.

War in Ukraine turning a nasty corner and Russia launching a limited nuclear strike 

China deciding to escalate the situation around Taiwan 

North Korea taking advantage of the world's political instability caused by the two events above 

On second thoughts, a US president going senile and thinking they are calling the presidential bottom wiper, will accidently press the wrong button 🤔 

[Sephiroth]

"the Tories will be back in in five years. "

Not sure they will exist in 5 years - at least not in current or past form

But let's say they don't implode - I can't see them getting back in in 5 years - I would argue it matters a hell of a lot how we got here - because if we can't learn that lesson then we will be doomed to repeat same mistakes

I do think Labour have made too many straitjackets for themselves - better to get in with a mandate to move towards single market/tax rises if necessary rather than have to reverse on some clearly necessary steps . And they will face battles from backbenches as well as opposition - but significantly, they have more capable ministers than any tory cabinet member since 2019

[diable rouge]

1 hour ago, Sephiroth said:

I do think Labour have made too many straitjackets for themselves - better to get in with a mandate to move towards single market/tax rises if necessary rather than have to reverse on some clearly necessary steps . And they will face battles from backbenches as well as opposition - but significantly, they have more capable ministers than any tory cabinet member since 2019

Some Rejoiner's obviously not happy with Labour ignoring all things Brexit/EU in their manifesto (apparently the word Brexit was only mentioned once!), but worth noting that hidden away in the manifesto is a convenient catch-all caveat that applies to all their proposals, that states, and I paraphrase, ''plans could change if events change''.

What I'm guessing (hoping!) is that Labour have calculated that they have to be seen by the country *as a whole*, at the very least trying to 'make Brexit work' before they can even begin to change tack and pivot towards something like SM membership. That hopefully would come to a head when the TCA is up for renewal in 2026.

Agree that one thing a big Labour win might throw up is rebellious groups of backbenchers, knowing that they can create mischief without upsetting Labour's ability to pass Bills etc in Parliament. So, for instance, you might see a very vocal pro-EU grouping emerge, think ERG but with brains.

I'm actually quite hopeful that should Starmer become PM, he will get things done, albeit in his pragmatic, careful, lawyerly kinda way. Give me boring any day, I think we've all had enough of 'personality politics', although the media seem to be hooked on it judging by their coverage of Farage. Starmer would be the first PM I can think of that has actual experience of heading up a large public organisation i.e. the CPS. So unlike Johnson, Truss, and Sunak, he understands what public duty/service entails and is good at it...

Edited June 14 by diable rouge
Typo

[HeadNun]

3 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Possibly right, triggered by one of three things.

War in Ukraine turning a nasty corner and Russia launching a limited nuclear strike 

China deciding to escalate the situation around Taiwan 

North Korea taking advantage of the world's political instability caused by the two events above 

On second thoughts, a US president going senile and thinking they are calling the presidential bottom wiper, will accidently press the wrong button 🤔 

Is it possible that No Dishi got the G7 to agree on using 50 billion revenue from seized russian assets, to give to Ukraine, to provoke Putin's retaliation so he'll nuke Starmer, once he's in? 😁 

Edited June 14 by HeadNun

[Kathleen Olander]

On 29/05/2024 at 14:18, malumbu said:

Anything nutty today? - I'm expecting bringing back hanging, and corporal punishment. 

The nuttiest thing I saw today was the poor Peckham peoples selection of candidates, oh dear!

[Spartacus]

Gets my vote for PM 

[malumbu]

Two headlines today - Daily Mail - Farage "it's all the West's fault for provoking Putin"

Guardian "300 million patient records published by Russian scammers"

So Farage it is like you provoking the school bully, who steals your phone, sends abusive WhatApp messages to all your contacts, and then demands your pocket money for a year or else they will continue.

Not sure what game Farage is playing, and how much this will influence the Daily Mail readers, which will then be shared wider though FB, etc.

 

 

[malumbu]

Just to remind you the general election is tomorrow, Thursday.  You will need to bring ID unless you have made your vote by post.  Please make an effort to vote, it's an important part of our democracy irrespective of the flaws of our system