reggie Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBen Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Speak for yourself. I wasn't excited. Another leech is born imo. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-663742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I am so relieved I don't live in the UK right now Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-663902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Gosh yes, because there's bunting on every street, the national anthem playing in every pub and every tongue is a-wag with news of His MiniRoyalness!oh no, hang on, it isn't Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-663915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Rolling news, and 17,000 page spreads in the Daily Mail aren't reality.There's bone crushing levels of indifference to this going on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-663944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 A couple of people that I previously thought were intellegent have posted things like "wonderful news, well done Kate" on Facebook. I don't know if it's some sort of sisterhood thing where women feel that they share some sort of bond having delivered a child, but I strongly suspect Kate wouldn't give a fuck what they say or think. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-663959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 It wasn't so very long ago that childbirth was the leading cause of death for women in the UK (and still is in many undeveloped countries, I suspect). In addition to which, although the stillbirth rate in the UK is significantly lower than in poor nations, it is still shockingly high compared to other Western countries (11 stillborn babies per day).It may be argued that those stillbirths are due to negligence. However, that is not the case. A percentage of the stillbirths which happen in the UK every year, in otherwise healthy pregnancies, remain unexplained. It doesn't just happen to poor, unknown families. It happens to rich celebrities too. Just about this time last year Gary Barlow and his wife Dawn very sadly suffered a stillbirth. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19163712So to see a woman like Catherine who has professed a deep desire to have child, then go on successfully to attain that desire with both mother and baby healthy is indeed a thing upon which to be congratulated. Personally, I received many congratulations on the birth of my child, some from people I barely knew, and a few from perfect strangers. Of course I can't speak for every woman, but I cherished every congratulation that I received, as did my husband and our families.To people who are naysaying the royal birth, what would you be saying if Catherine had had a stillbirth? Nothing, I hope.http://www.uk-sands.org/home.htmlhttp://www.bigbuddhafilms.co.uk/films/documentary/still-born-still-loved/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 A very worthy post I'm sure.Of course noone (I hope) would have wished them ill, but there are many reasons why there may be indifference or hostility to these events.These may be political from republicans, it may have to do with aversion to celebrity obsessions, a response to saturation media coverage or even just a natural reaction to peer pressure that we must all celebrate.In my case it's probably a combination of all of the above (although my republican leanings are weak, I'm against herdeitary political privelege in principal, but can't think of a better replacement, especially given the levels of dedication to public service the queen has shown compared to say, ooooh, politicians, who come to think of it seem to have created a privileged and often hereditary political class, but that's another tale).So yaaay, there was no stillbirth (friends of mine suffered this awful calamity last year), but do I give a shit at any other level? No. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Another benefit scrounger to support. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Saffron Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> To people who are naysaying the royal birth, what> would you be saying if Catherine had had a> stillbirth? Nothing, I hope.> This was a point I was making the other day about everyone (press and idiots) hanging around outside the hospital. Had something gone wrong the poor woman would have had to face that mob during a hugely distressing time.I am very pleased that they had a healthy baby boy with no lasting ill effect to mum. I just find all the attention twisted. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 This is what we pay them for. Think of it as one big lifelong version of The Truman Show. You can always change channel. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Saffron, I really think you're confusing the issue. Of course people (well... normal people) are glad that the baby's healthy, etc. Just because we're not interested in (or don't agree with) the institution of royalty and resent the blanket media coverage, doesn't mean we resent them on a personal level or wish them harm. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 You can get your royal fix 24/7 now - with the strangely familiar-looking 'world of royalty' forum. There's 'The Royal Court' (for royal-specific) and 'The Palace Garden' (for off-topic). http://worldofroyalty.proboards.com/ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 'Princess' ("member of the nobility") asks:'Australia vs. Great Britain. Have you live in either or both countries? Which one do you like better? Why? And how do these countries differ in your opinion?'No replies so far. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Completely agree Jeremy re Saffron's post and in general. And I'm sorry but let's be real, she's done what the majority of half of the world's population has. It's absolutely nothing special. The sentimentalism of the media together with so much political apathy in Britain makes me embarrassed to be British, actually ashamed to be British. See Sue's and Buddug's posts in the Food banks thread in the general issues page. She sums up the way I'm feeling right now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I do wish Edward a little bit of harm, actually. Nothing bad. Maybe just that he stubs his toe every night whilst going for a piss in the dark. EVERY NIGHT. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bob* Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 How much are they supposed to cost us again? 50p a year or something?Here's a quid. Keep the change. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Saffron, I really think you're confusing the> issue. Of course people (well... normal people)> are glad that the baby's healthy, etc. Just> because we're not interested in (or don't agree> with) the institution of royalty and resent the> blanket media coverage, doesn't mean we resent> them on a personal level or wish them harm.Not at all confusing the issue. My post was in response to the suggestion that it's unintelligent to wish Catherine well. I disagree, because I think it shows a great deal of emotional intelligence and sympathy. My post was also in response to congratulations being irrelevant, or Catherine not caring about them. Again I disagree, because I don't think people necessarily disregard congratulations on a new baby just because they don't personally know the well-wishers. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 "My post was in response to the suggestion that it's unintelligent to wish Catherine well."I never actually said that to be fair. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 zeban Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Completely agree Jeremy re Saffron's post and in> general. And I'm sorry but let's be real, she's> done what the majority of half of the world's> population has. It's absolutely nothing special.Tell someone who had an unexplained stillbirth, or lost a partner in childbirth, that a healthy mother and baby is nothing special. Go on tell them. They're listening. Some of them are on this Forum.Just because something happens frequently, doesn't mean that it isn't special.If you or Jeremy or Bob etc want to talk about how you dislike the Royals as an institution, that fine. Opinions differ. But to me then, you're the ones "confusing the issue" with simply congratulating Catherine on the birth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 zeban Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I am so relieved I don't live in the UK right nowYes, I'm relieved you don't live here either.;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> "My post was in response to the suggestion that> it's unintelligent to wish Catherine well."> > > I never actually said that to be fair.I didn't say that you said it, which is why I didn't quote you above. There was simply the suggestion of it in your statement: "A couple of people that I previously thought were intellegent have posted things like 'wonderful news, well done Kate' on Facebook." Therefore, by this statement, they no longer appear to be intelligent in your p.o.v. because they have wished her well. Just one possible interpretation. If that's not what you meant, please feel free to clarify. xx Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Oh Saffron get a grip, you are still confusing your issues, missing the point entirely, but instead of accepting others don't agree with you you choose to be rude instead. Sticking a wink face after that sentence doesn't make it any less rude. I'm glad I don't have to be around the likes of your rude self. What do you think about the fact that 1 in 3 children born in Britain on the same day as this kid will grow up in child poverty? You are so obviously taking this personally, to do with circumstances of yourself or people you know. I'm not saying stillbirth isn't an important issue, and a devastating issue, but this has nothing to do with the pathetic media circus on this particular birth. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Mac Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 reggie Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Soundcloud is brilliant, isn't it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbers Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 zeban Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I am so relieved I don't live in the UK right nowout of interest, zeban, why are you bothering to post on a thread with baby boy in the title then? assuming you presumably wish to avoid the media circus/press/publicity/discussion around the whole event? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/34523-after-great-excitement-a-baby-boy/#findComment-664294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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