Mr Bates Vs the post office

[Moovart]

I hope everyone watches this on itv and itvx.

We think we have royal mail problems on East Dulwich but this drama and it's fellow documentary highlights one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in recent years.   The lives of many postmasters and their families were ruined by the arrogance of those in charge at Post Office and their attempts to cover up their faulty new IT system.  The compensation process for those who are still alive is an over complex sham to avoid properly compensating those that were hurt by this scandalous miscarriage of justice (if true compensation is even truly possible).  Those in power at the post office and the IT company should hang their heads in shame and they and the government should be doing everything they can to try to properly compensate the poor victims of this scandal.

If you are not already aware of this scandal do watch it on ITV and weep.

 

[SpringTime]

Should hang. That'll do. Forget the shame and wot-not.

[Penguin68]

1 hour ago, Moovart said:

We think we have royal mail problems on East Dulwich but this drama and it's fellow documentary highlights one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in recent years. 

To be fair, Royal Mail and The Post Office are, now, and managerially were,  then, different entities. The people responsible for cocking up our mail delivery had no responsibility  for sub post offices or indeed main post offices. 

[malumbu]

I was going to refer you to Theresa May's recent book "The Abuse of Power: Confronting Injustice in Public Life", sadly as the Guardian notes she doesn't include that scandal (or her own failings) www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/03/the-abuse-of-power-confronting-injustice-in-public-life-by-theresa-may-review-blind-to-her-own-failings

To be fair to her it is probably relevant to the discussions here, and how government failed to act, or put things in the slow lane.

[lilolil]

There is a petition if anyone is interested

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?bucket=mailing_43897&share=46cb569b-c3e3-4c8b-9229-6a319f08b629&source=&utm_campaign=blast43897&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=

[jazzer]

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[Sue]

1 hour ago, jazzer said:

so why mention it if it's irrelevant to the discussion, oh, another opportunity to whip the Govt................

If you are referring to Malumbu's post, perhaps you should re-read his last paragraph .....  Unless I have misunderstood it (quite likely 🤣 )

[Moovart]

On 02/01/2024 at 21:16, Penguin68 said:

To be fair, Royal Mail and The Post Office are, now, and managerially were,  then, different entities. The people responsible for cocking up our mail delivery had no responsibility  for sub post offices or indeed main post offices. 

When did the post office become Royal Mail?

 

As part of the Postal Services Act 2000, the businesses of the Post Office were transferred in 2001 to a public limited company, Consignia plc, which was quickly renamed Royal Mail Holdings plc. The government became the sole shareholder in Royal Mail Holdings plc and its subsidiary Post Office Ltd.

The two companies were part of the same group until 2012, when the Post Office was split out into a separate business.

So they were one company when this scandal started and Adam Crozier, CEO during many years of the scandal and now ITV CEO is conspicuous by his absence in the drama doc.

Mr Crozier was CEO of Royal Mail Group between 2003 and 2010, when the Post Office was part of it and subpostmasters were being pursued through the courts.

Fujitsu have also come off lightly when it was their IT fault that caused the problem and it took years before anyone there said anything 

Remember that it's individuals within large organisations and government that make these decisions and choose not to own up and allow the wrong thing to happen.  The individuals have the protection of the large organisation but it is individual people with power who choose to do the wrong thing and screw the little person.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sue]

 

In 1986, Royal Mail was split into Royal Mail Letters, Royal Mail Parcels, and Post Office Counters. In 1987, Post Office Counters Ltd became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Royal Mail and then in 2001, Post Office Counters Ltd became a public limited company and was renamed Post Office Ltd.