Should cyclists have the same speed restrictions as motor vehicles?

[exdulwicher]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

The cycle lobby is one of the most developed, well-funded, well organised and successful lobby groups in the country and have seats at the most powerful tables - Will Norman and Chris Boardman are prime examples.

If the cycle lobby were even a tenth as powerful as you suggest, there'd be a comprehensive network of cycle facilities across the UK that would put the Netherlands to shame. As it is, it took twelve YEARS of back and forth consultation, argument and redesign, a global pandemic and several rounds of council elections to get 100m of Dulwich Village filtered. Hardly the output of some All-Powerful Cyclist Cabal... 

2 hours ago, first mate said:

LCC and its various off shoots does present as a sort of community, working to shared aims, with lots of advisories/scripts for its members to use to achieve those aims. 

That's still not collective responsibility though. Every organisation of that nature does similar including One Dulwich (although they do it with considerably less oversight and publicity of exactly who is funding them or indeed who is even behind them).

I can walk through Dulwich Park without being a member / belonging to Friends of Dulwich Park: https://dulwichparkfriends.org.uk/

I can ride my bike through Dulwich Village without being a member / belonging to LCC, Southwark Cyclists, Sustrans etc.

You can join any organisation you want in order to express your support, that does not mean that you are responsible for any other member within it or that - apart from that one particular aspect - that you share any other common trait.

In fact I could be completely unaware of the existence of LCC, doesn't stop me riding my bike.

Edited Sunday at 09:57 by exdulwicher
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[malumbu]

I'm trying not to post on this thread, Ez does such a good job challenging the continued nonsense.

But where there is ignorance I have to correct things.  Chris Boardman is the Chair of Active Travel England.  He is responsible for overseeing the government's active travel plans.  He is appointed by ministers, a Tory one at the time, now reporting to Labour.  Government can change their plans at any time.  If you want to influence this write to your MP.  I expect they don't have time to monitor the EDF.  He is not a lobbyist.  It is his job to talk to Government, and to stakeholders.  

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/chris-boardman

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, malumbu said:

He is not a lobbyist

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

[first mate]

2 hours ago, exdulwicher said:

You can join any organisation you want in order to express your support, that does not mean that you are responsible for any other member within it or that - apart from that one particular aspect - that you share any other common trait.

Okay, so perhaps those on here who continually suggest that anyone that so much as entertains some of the views expressed by One Dulwich is a crazed, mail-reading, petrol-head, and probably part of some opaque right wing conspiracy to do goodness knows what (but some even have included vaccine denial) should desist.

It is also the case that some of the very nastiest and lowest personal attacks on posters on here have been made by LCC/LTN supporters, and have included disgusting comments about mental health. 

[snowy]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

A  post intentionally ignoring what you have previously been told.  
 

He's employed by a government organisation, sponsored by the department for transport;

https://www.activetravelengland.gov.uk/about

to implement government plans and strategies, not to influence them existing.
 

Here's the government definition of a lobbyist: https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/lobbying/#:~:text=To lobby is to make,Contact an MP or Lord

"To lobby is to make the case for a particular policy, cause or group directly to a government minister or a member of either House with the aim of influencing their decisions."

[Rockets]

He is the very best example of a pro-cycle lobbyist elected to a powerful position. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is probably also a pro-cycle lobbyist! It's quite telling, and utterly laughable, that you're trying to claim he isn't - but not at all unsurprising. 

Thanks for helping me make my point about the utterly cultish behaviour of many in the cycle lobby! Bravo. 

[snowy]

Again, another post that embarrasses you.

You're now saying that someone who has held Regional Authority or national governmental role in the field since 2017 as an active travel specialist and who has been awarded a CBE for their 'services for active travel', isn't qualified and is in your terms a 'lobbyist'?

Then again, i suspect that his mother being killed whilst cycling by someone subsequently convicted of death by dangerous driving might compel them to advocate for safer walking and cycling.

 

[Rockets]

Snowy, I am not embarrassed pointing out the bleedingly obvious but maybe you will listen to Peter Walker (another pro-cycling lobbyist and someone no doubt you will respect more than me) ...https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/dec/30/anti-cycling-stories-bad-health-chris-boardman-active-travel

.....Boardman’s current life spent lobbying ministers and officials is one he concedes would have been a surprise to his younger self, but it also echoes the lessons he learned from elite sport.

It is not me who is embarrassing themselves....Boardman is very much a pro-cycling lobbyist....