SeanMacGabhann Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I have noticed that every time I try and board a bus in the area, I am asked to provide "cash" or show an oyster card. You would think that an oyster card is something they can issue free or for a one off charge but np - they want you to put your hard-earned cash "onto" the card as well!Surely this is just a cash-making excercise and is designed to penalise people??Worse - I managed to get on a bus recently without paying (teh driver was looking the other way) and these fascists came on and fined me ?20!!! Is that fair price for a bus journey????? I was only going one stop after all Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Who are you, and what have you done with Sean? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Bus conductors eh? Those corporate fat cats! Not to worry comrade MacGabhann they will be first up against the wall, come the revolution. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 dear God moos - hopefully the spelling of "teh" proved it was really meAnd hopefully everyone realises satire when they see it?? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgia Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Of course - I could never believe that you would get on a bus without paying....;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I have noticed that every time I try and board a bus in the area, I am asked to provide "cash" or show an oyster card. You would think that an oyster card is something they can issue free or for a one off charge but np - they want you to put your hard-earned cash "onto" the card as well! Sean, I don't understand what you mean. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Sean you were only going one stop? ::o u lazy thing get off and walk! :p Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 either I'm not getting other peoples sarcasm or people took my initial post at face value! (Brendan excluded) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Ah-ha... thought you were making a point but think I must be having a slow day because for the life of me couldn't see what it was! :-$ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I'm really lost, here. (And disappointed, because I love a good bus-related rant, too.) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 hmm rather than respond to yet another "I got fined for parking where I shouldn't have" (but this time got off on a technicality) I just throught I would recast the whole argument from the view of public transport usersvery clumsily I admit... but I tried to squeeze in:Accusations of raising revenue at own expense? CheckCheating the system and resent paying the price? CheckLaziness? CheckBut unlike parking, everyone just thought (quite rightly) I was being weird to complain about these things Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Lord McG you have a point, but it's not a wholly fair analogy.Buses- clear system, easy to use, hard to (genuinely) claim you didn't know what you were doing. Not so with parking. I'm not saying you can use ignorance as a defence, but (back to your ratiojalisation/emotion point re: posting) it helps understand where people are coming from, i.e. I didn't MEAN to break the rules. It is undeniably frustrating to be whacked for a big fine when you tried to do it right.Buses - one central public company, one set of rules. Not so with traffic wardens. Bus drivers aren't incentivised to catch fare dodgers either-at least, I think not! (That's presumably why the fare-dodger-catchers on buses and trains talk to people they've caught and make a decision whether to fine them or not...don't think you get that with traffic wardens.Oh dear, was that me trying to be serious? Shame on me. Back to the Lounge! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Sean - poorly executed (sorry) and done to death surely? If you want to start this one again we can rumble.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 yep - agreed ???? - already held my hands up. But thanks for dropping by ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalamityKel Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 With regards to Moos comment "Bus drivers aren't incentivised to catch fare dodgers either-at least, I think not!" it's certainly not the drivers responsibilty to catch anyone dodging a fair. They can certainly stop the bus and tell whoever is in the wrong to get off with the classic line "this bus aint going nowhere until you pay or get off" but anything else is down to the revenue (ticket inspectors) or even transport police/normal police to deal with - hence why sometimes the driver will do a "code red" for them to come a deal with it. :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 oooh yeah - I forgot to address Lady Moos's points"Buses- clear system, easy to use, hard to (genuinely) claim you didn't know what you were doing. Not so with parking. I'm not saying you can use ignorance as a defence, but (back to your ratiojalisation/emotion point re: posting) it helps understand where people are coming from, i.e. I didn't MEAN to break the rules. It is undeniably frustrating to be whacked for a big fine when you tried to do it right. "Weeeeel you'd be surprised how many people don't use buses at all because they find them confusing - "which side of the road? How do I know when to get off" etc etc. Plus, we have long since passed the stage where many drivers even pretend to get things wrong. Libracarr's post about his latest fine on another thread is a good example."i know the rules, I diagree with them but I got off on a technicality". As I've said before whilst waiting for the bus at the library - I see people park up right in the bus stop just to use the cashie - every single day. They are not being caught out by ignorance of the rules "Buses - one central public company, one set of rules. Not so with traffic wardens. Bus drivers aren't incentivised to catch fare dodgers either-at least, I think not! (That's presumably why the fare-dodger-catchers on buses and trains talk to people they've caught and make a decision whether to fine them or not...don't think you get that with traffic wardens. "Bus drivers aren't incetivised but teams of inspectors are. And last I heard there isn't much discussion if you're caught - there used to be but that's gone. People say it's a nanny-state but the reason it's become less possible to "negotiate" is so many toe-rags abusing the system Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Actually, it's Her Serene Highness Empress Moos von und zu Moos, but my friends just call me Moos... OK, I guess I started so I'll finish (although fear this thread is providing diminishing returns)Agree finding bus routes is confusing! but I meant bus fares. If you think they're confusing, maybe you should walk! I agree there are bus fare-dodgers too - of course there are - but I don't think they can say they didn't mean to dodge. Don't disagree with your 'got off on a technicality' point, though.Are teams of inspectors incentivized by the number of people they catch?I haven't been caught without fare on a bus, so I can't comment on your last but I have to admit I have twice been caught without on a train, both times through stupidity - yes, I do know the system but forgot my card had run out. Once the guy fined me ?20, and the other time he just made me pay for a single, which I thought was kind of him. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamma Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Oh Sean, you've embarrassed yourself with this one haven't you. Leave comedy and satire to the professionaly comedians eh? Why not just delete this whole thread and we'll all say nothing more about it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMacGabhann Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 don't think I haven't thought about it Jamma - but it'll serve as a monument to folly ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Poor Sean. Sorry. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3378-buses-in-east-dulwich-lounged/#findComment-105844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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