Noisy Party / Event in SE23 area, Saturday 23rd / Sunday 24th Sept

[Forest Hill Climber]

Incredibly loud event still going on at 05.00 Sunday - have to wonder how many households, how many people, have been disturbed by this. This is in the Borough of Lewisham which - unlike most Boroughs - has no out-of-hours noise enforcement.

[jazzer]

Whereabouts in SE23 is this happening?

[Angelina]

Sounds like a party.

Good - it’s what life’s about

[Forest Hill Climber]

  On 24/09/2023 at 19:43, Angelina said:

Sounds like a party.

Good - it’s what life’s about

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It's certainly a part of life, as is consideration.

[Angelina]

So let it be. It’s not every day

[first mate]

I beg to differ. In an urban area 5am is totally unacceptable. If everyone took the view that it is only once then, given the size of the population, that could be all night parties every week. What if people are ill or babies trying to sleep? If you want to party so loudly it is keeping others awake then go to a night club. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by first mate

[caz6868]

  On 25/09/2023 at 07:11, first mate said:

I beg to differ. In an urban area 5am is totally unacceptable. If everyone took the view that it is only once then, given the size of the population, that could be all night parties every week. What if people are ill or babies trying to sleep? If you want to party so loudly it is keeping others awake then go to a night club. 

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Nightclubs keep people up all night also .

People outside smoking and talking etc.

 

[first mate]

You have a point. I guess this is why pubs close at a certain time. It is unreasonable to think it is okay to keep people up late into the night. I cannot see a good reason why any party should be later than 1am, at the maximum.

[bodsier]

Partying till 5am is not usually planned.....they happen spontaneously when people are having a good time....

To be neighbourly its a good idea to let neighbours know that you are having a party in advance. Turn down the music after 12/1am and try to keep the noise down generally.   Residents can then try to make accommodations accordingly.  Seems a fair compromise provided it's not the same household having parties really often. ...most people don't anyway, its a lot of work....the host doesn't really relax till most of the guests have gone, so after 1am it's their time to party...... 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by bodsier

[first mate]

I agree about the unplanned bit and alcohol etc may blur judgment of time as well as behaviour. However, I would still maintain that just because it feels good does not make it right or warranted. I agree, 12/1 am is the time audible partying should cease.

[bodsier]

I said turned down not ceased.....times are hard....if anyone can find any joy right now....enjoy

Edited September 27, 2023 by bodsier

[first mate]

Not at the expense of others surely. Gone 1pm it is just not reasonable to keep others awake, just because you are enjoying yourself. The compromise is in someone electing to be kept awake up to that time, when they might prefer to sleep earlier.

[Angelina]

And for all the other days of the year, you get to sleep but for one night a year you don’t.

let people have fun.

[first mate]

But if everyone takes that view, that they are entitled to one night a year of keeping others awake all night in order to enjoy themselves, the overall effect will be more than just one night, won't it.

If neighbours take the time to alert others well in advance (weeks, not the day before) they are planning a loud, late party, at least others have options and can arrange to be away. But, to simply expect others to put up and shut up because someone wants their definition of fun is unreasonable. What if your impromptu "fun" coincides with someone feeling ill, shift work, many sleepless nights with a little one? Why do you feel switching off after 1pm is such a big ask?

[Angelina]

it's not every day though is it. It's a relatively quiet area, but yes if you scale it up it could well be that every house in ED has a party that could mean several every day over the entire year.

yes - they could let neighbours know - why not ask them to do so next time they have a party. It would be a bit more proactive.

[bodsier]

  On 27/09/2023 at 12:51, first mate said:

But if everyone takes that view, that they are entitled to one night a year of keeping others awake all night in order to enjoy themselves, the overall effect will be more than just one night, won't it.

If neighbours take the time to alert others well in advance (weeks, not the day before) they are planning a loud, late party, at least others have options and can arrange to be away. But, to simply expect others to put up and shut up because someone wants their definition of fun is unreasonable. What if your impromptu "fun" coincides with someone feeling ill, shift work, many sleepless nights with a little one? Why do you feel switching off after 1pm is such a big ask?

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as previously mentioned...let people know well in advance so that those affected can look at options and if that isn't possible compromise made by the host...It doesn't have to be loud after 1am to be fun....it doesn't have to be drunken either....everyone's idea of fun doesn't necessarily look the same.... l think that's a fair compromise...

 

There isn't a law against partying ....there is for noise regulation ..aiming to keep well within the acceptable range is I think a fair compromise on the odd occasion.   We live in London.... I'm guessing you live in a quiet neighbourhood ...seems to be an occasional irritant rather than a regular one....

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by bodsier

[first mate]

My issue is solely with noise, not partying per se. People can party after 1am all they like, just so long as the noise does not keep me awake. Like you, I live in a noisy area.  As you indicate, the law is a about noise volume and is presumably based on what is generally held to be reasonable. In law switch off is much earlier. I think agreeing to stop noise that disturbs the sleep of others after 1pm is entirely reasonable.

[Pugwash]

Our neighbours invited us to their BBQ but we were already going out that evening.  When we got back event was in full swing with music in the garden. Still going at 1 am but with music turned down. Did not worry us, however a neighbour 6 doors down said they were kept awake most of the night with the noise and was surprised that we slept through it. It could be that their bedroom was at the back of house whereas ours is on the side. Some time ago there was a very noisy party a few doors down which woke us up and upon ringing the Noise Team, as soon as we said our address, advised that they had already received over 20 complaints from our street and neighbouring streets.

Many many years ago when I was a teenager living in Landells Road, the elderly lady across the street accosted me one Sunday morning to complain about the noisy party into the early hours by our neighbours. I had to tell her that it had not bothered the family at all as we were also at the party. Learnt from that our lovely neighbours had invited everyone either side to join them in celebrating - from that point in if we were having a potentially noisy do- make sure that many neighbours as possible are invited.