Latest One Dulwich update

[first mate]

3 hours ago, Rockets said:

Posting the last One Dulwich update here because they discuss the Dept of Transport data that identifies Southwark's cycling and walking data every year since 2016 to 2023 and it is very interesting (which I have attached). It would be great if they could break this down to separate walking from cycling..

 

Campaign Update | 10 Sep

The Dulwich Village junction Work continues on the £1.5 million Dulwich Village junction re-design, despite the lack of community support (see the Phase 3 Consultation Report here). We continue to impress on council officers that their plans show unacceptably poor access for emergency vehicles, and inadequate and badly positioned parking for Blue Badge holders. Further details, and how to object, can be found under ‘Dulwich Streets for People (notice dated 5 Sept 2024)’. Southwark’s poor investment The Department for Transport’s published data (updated last month) shows that Southwark’s huge investment in active travel – including millions spent on LTNs – has resulted in no significant change in either walking or cycling. In fact, walking and cycling for travel (rather than leisure) went down in 2023 compared with pre-Covid years. Maybe they need to re-think their strategy? West Dulwich Action Group The West Dulwich Action Group are taking legal action to fight Lambeth Council over the recently imposed LTN. Read more on their Facebook page, or help them reach their £30,000 target via GoFundMe. Thank you for your support. Best wishes,

The One Dulwich Team

Interesting reading. Agree with separating walking and cycling out. In my view, e- bikes cannot really be considered as active travel from a health perspective, especially if we discover kids are using Lime bikes to cover short distances they might have walked in the past.

[Rockets]

Latest One Dulwich update - posting this on my own behalf and I have no link to One Dulwich, have no link or membership to any political party, not a member of the Dulwich Society, London Cycle Campaign or any pro- or anti-LTN lobby group. I am a cyclist (who has never worn lycra), I hate Trump, detest what has happened to the Labour party but I love Dulwich. P.S. Unlike some on here I am also a resident of Dulwich living within an area benefiting from an LTN. 🙂 One Dulwich

Campaign Update | 17 Jan Dulwich Village junction: Southwark promises access for emergency vehicles A huge thank you to everyone who wrote to Southwark’s Highways department about the dangerous lack of access for emergency vehicles through the junction. News reaches us that the London Ambulance Service has just received notification from Southwark that Court Lane will be reopened to emergency vehicles on Friday 24 January. We continue to ask for updates about the trial closure of Calton Avenue. One Dulwich urges the government to change the law on LTNs Working with campaign group Social and Environmental Justice, One Dulwich has brought together fifteen grassroots campaign groups from all over the country to call on the government to change the law on LTNs. Together we have written to Secretary of State for Transport Heidi Alexander to urge the government to introduce a strict regulatory framework for both new and existing traffic management schemes, in order to ensure that local authorities do not disadvantage groups with protected characteristics, such as the disabled, and cannot implement or maintain schemes that do not have community support. The Times published our joint letter and accompanying article on 14 January, and there were follow-up reports in the Standard and ITV News London. Thank you, as always, for your continued support. The One Dulwich Team

[Earl Aelfheah]

Very interesting. 

Edited Friday at 16:15 by Earl Aelfheah

[ab29]

1 hour ago, Rockets said:

Latest One Dulwich update - posting this on my own behalf and I have no link to One Dulwich, have no link or membership to any political party, not a member of the Dulwich Society, London Cycle Campaign or any pro- or anti-LTN lobby group. I am a cyclist (who has never worn lycra), I hate Trump, detest what has happened to the Labour party but I love Dulwich. P.S. Unlike some on here I am also a resident of Dulwich living within an area benefiting from an LTN. 🙂 One Dulwich

Campaign Update | 17 Jan Dulwich Village junction: Southwark promises access for emergency vehicles A huge thank you to everyone who wrote to Southwark’s Highways department about the dangerous lack of access for emergency vehicles through the junction. News reaches us that the London Ambulance Service has just received notification from Southwark that Court Lane will be reopened to emergency vehicles on Friday 24 January. We continue to ask for updates about the trial closure of Calton Avenue. One Dulwich urges the government to change the law on LTNs Working with campaign group Social and Environmental Justice, One Dulwich has brought together fifteen grassroots campaign groups from all over the country to call on the government to change the law on LTNs. Together we have written to Secretary of State for Transport Heidi Alexander to urge the government to introduce a strict regulatory framework for both new and existing traffic management schemes, in order to ensure that local authorities do not disadvantage groups with protected characteristics, such as the disabled, and cannot implement or maintain schemes that do not have community support. The Times published our joint letter and accompanying article on 14 January, and there were follow-up reports in the Standard and ITV News London. Thank you, as always, for your continued support. The One Dulwich Team

Great news the groups across London are getting together. Hopefully a chance for more scrutiny and regulations instead of councils doing whatever they want, ignoring local communities.

[exdulwicher]

Just now, ab29 said:

Great news the groups across London are getting together. Hopefully a chance for more scrutiny and regulations instead of councils doing whatever they want, ignoring local communities.

You mean the local community that specifically voted for the two Labour councillors behind the LTN and rejected the two Tory candidates standing on a "we will rip out all the LTNs" manifesto?

The "groups" across London are the same shouty minority - it's amazing how the same individuals crop up in pics and online, a tiny group of obsessives who've been banging the same drum for 5 years, in spite of having lost numerous legal challenges and at every local election. Credit to them though for managing to place a near constant string of stories in the Times and Telegraph. Suppose it gives them something to do when they're not frantically trying to rig the results of every consultation going...

https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/documents/s161579/ODDR Proposed West Dulwich CPZ - Results of Statutory Consultation.pdf

See page 11 of this. If you can't be bothered to click and scroll through, the basics are here (my highlighting):

CONSULTATION AND CO-PRODUCTION West Dulwich CPZ - results of Statutory Consultation
5.1 By the closing date of Friday 20 September 2024, a total of 10,972 representations had been received via the online engagement portal in response to the CPZ consultation.

5.2 Given that a statutory consultation such as this is open to anyone interested in those advertised proposals, Lambeth’s online engagement portal accepts multiple representations from individuals and organisations and also different individuals living within the same property address.

5.3 On closer inspection officers discovered that, during the week prior to the close of the statutory consultation, two separate individuals had submitted multiple identical responses connected to addresses from a particular street within the proposed CPZ boundary. A detailed review suggested that these multiple responses may have constituted a deliberate act to skew the results of the statutory consultation, and as a consequence, this data has been ‘cleaned’ to remove the ‘duplicate’ responses, leaving just one unique representation from each of these two respondents. 

The same thing was found in most of the LTN consultations, Lambeth got rid of about a third of the responses which had all originated over the course of 2 solid days from the same 2 or 3 IP addresses.

Fascinating how people who bang on endlessly about democracy are so keen to try and subvert it....

[first mate]

Hang on, we are talking about Southwark, yes? Do you have evidence this  alleged IP address fiddle in another borough also applies to the majority consultation result against the Dulwich Village CPZ, and historically, the majority against CPZ in East Dulwich? As we know, many LTNs have been imposed, with zero consultation.

I'd also add that many of these consultations are also open to skewing by LCC, who positively encourage members all over London to get actively involved  in consultations for areas they live miles away from.

 

Edited Friday at 18:01 by first mate

[ab29]

This is a reply to ExDulwicher post. 

I mean the community where almost 70% of those taking part in two consultations (what a waste of paper and other resources btw) said 'no' to ltn.

How can local elections reflect this?

Impossible.

People have a thousand and one problems to solve: no money for food, for rent, exorbitant mortgage rates and train fares; broken NHS, broken dental help - this goes on and on and on etc.

These things will always come first.

13 hours ago, exdulwicher said:

The "groups" across London are the same shouty minority - it's amazing how the same individuals crop up in pics and online, a tiny group of obsessives who've been banging the same drum for 5 years, in spite of having lost numerous legal challenges and at every local election. Credit to them though for managing to place a near constant string of stories in the Times and Telegraph. Suppose it gives them something to do when they're not frantically trying to rig the results of every consultation going...

 

Edited Saturday at 06:46 by ab29

[Rockets]

14 minutes ago, exdulwicher said:

5.3 On closer inspection officers discovered that, during the week prior to the close of the statutory consultation, two separate individuals had submitted multiple identical responses connected to addresses from a particular street within the proposed CPZ boundary. A detailed review suggested that these multiple responses may have constituted a deliberate act to skew the results of the statutory consultation, and as a consequence, this data has been ‘cleaned’ to remove the ‘duplicate’ responses, leaving just one unique representation from each of these two respondents. 

One wonders if Lambeth have re-run this exercise on consultations that went in their favour......I doubt it somehow 😉

And probably also important to note that even when "cleaned" the result still went against Lambeth....

 

[DulvilleRes]

Rockets – it is a great loss to One Dulwich that you have no link with them, as you are so clearly a trendsetter when it comes to the LTN debate. A year or so ago you were posting about the Public Accounts Committee / National Travel Survey report a full month before a One Dulwich’s press release highlighting it. 

As a keen scholar of local politics, can you shed any light on the strange case of the disappearing Conservatives? Once leading local Conservatives were fronting anti-LTN organisations, but have now seemingly vanished into thin air, only popping up to ask LTN-related questions of the Council, which often echo the concerns raised by One Dulwich. You have such an impressive grasp of names when it comes to local figures who support the LTNs, forever name-checking them - do you know what has happened to the local Conservatives? Have you ever seen them connected with One Dulwich in any way? 

[Rockets]

DulvilleRes...I declared my hand, maybe you should return the compliment....you seem to be trying to avoid playing yours...what vested interest do you have in this...come on it's only fair.....?

What role do you have in the Dulwich Society and local politics...?

[Earl Aelfheah]

It’s been nearly 5 years since the change in road layout. The new square a looking great. I can’t believe more than a tiny handful of obsessives would want it ripped out and replaced with a Line of queuing traffic. Long past time to move on. 

…also, why are you not posting this in the LTN thread? You constantly creating multiple posts to discuss the LTN, and diverting every other topic into a discussion of the LTN, ruins the transport section.

Edited Sunday at 07:32 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

I'd love to know how many are LCC members. As we know, LCC asks members from all over London to get involved in local traffic consultations and influence others via social media. My guess is some may also be very close to the council;

[Earl Aelfheah]

Well there aren’t people posting regular updates from LCC on this forum. Would you disapprove if they were? At least the LCC are transparent. We know how they’re constituted, can see their accounts, who is on their executive, etc. no secrecy there.

What other organisations would you like to see promoting themselves and posting regular updates on this forum? Does it matter if they’re genuine organisations or just that they call themselves one?

Edited Sunday at 07:51 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

Are you a member of affiliated to LCC, Earl?

It seems a number of posters on here closely reflect the LCC agenda and advisories, so in a way, maybe LCC stuff is already being posted;

Edited Sunday at 07:54 by first mate

[Earl Aelfheah]

I’m not, but don’t see why it’s any of your business. I’m not posting updates on behalf of an organisation (and particularly one that is not transparent about its leadership, funding and constitution).

Why do we have a specific thread for posting updates from a secretive group  campaigning against LTNs nationwide (which feels a lot like an astroturfing effort)? 

Is there a reason that whoever is behind these ‘groups’ can’t share their views like everyone else in the LTN thread?

What other organisations would you like to see promoting themselves and posting regular updates on this forum? Does it matter if they’re genuine organisations or just that they call themselves one?

Edited Sunday at 08:03 by Earl Aelfheah

[first mate]

The value of One Dulwich is that it is managing to articulate concerns of many local residents. As the council override consultation results it is quite useful to have a voice with a different perspective and which challenges the council and cycling lobby agenda.

I think One Dulwich reflects what locals think, rather than telling them what to think. At the end of the day, we all make our own minds up. I would add that sometimes LCC might as well post on here as messaging from certain posters is very similar.

Edited Sunday at 09:02 by first mate

[Rockets]

Clearly One Dulwich are doing a great job as it is making some people so irate for exposing the lies and manipulation that have been part of this process from the council and their supporters.

When people start saying things like "it's been 5 years let's move on" you know some are afraid of scrutiny and accountability. They sound like a politician trying to bury a scandal.

[Earl Aelfheah]

8 hours ago, Rockets said:

When people start saying things like "it's been 5 years let's move on" you know some are afraid of scrutiny and accountability. They sound like a politician trying to bury a scandal.

Or maybe it’s just really time for you to move on. Literally no more than a handful of unhealthily obsessed individuals would have the square ripped out and replaced with a line of cars at this point. 

It’s been nearly 5 years! 🤣

[Rockets]

As I was saying....

[DulvilleRes]

On 18/01/2025 at 20:20, Rockets said:

DulvilleRes...I declared my hand, maybe you should return the compliment....you seem to be trying to avoid playing yours...what vested interest do you have in this...come on it's only fair.....?

What role do you have in the Dulwich Society and local politics...?

I continue to be intrigued by your relationship with One Dulwich. You have consistently posted their press releases, and I've never seen any divergence of view between you and them. Could you point me to anywhere where this has happened? With your industrial level of independent posting on traffic issues, not to mention research, you really should think about setting up your own anti -LTN/ anti-Council campaign, maybe call it Uno Dulwich as a homage to that overlap in views.

I am a member of the Dulwich Society; I greatly look forward to reading their missives about open gardens so I can enjoy getting tea and a scone in someone else's posh backyard. The historical insights are great. No one who is remotely active in the society would have a clue as to who I am, and I couldn't tell you the names of anyone involved without looking them up. But that is the point - I can look them up, and form a view as to the kind of organisation it is - the view I have is they are a well-run and transparent community body. This is more than I can do for the opaque, unaccountable and politically active One Dulwich, who purport to be some kind of community voice, but there is no way of knowing who they are, who funds them or whether they are as widely supported as they claim. Nor does Dulwich Society post their press releases on these threads.

[Cancerian]

4 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Or maybe it’s just really time for you to move on. Literally no more than a handful of unhealthily obsessed individuals would have the square ripped out and replaced with a line of cars at this point. 

It’s been nearly 5 years! 🤣

“Unhealthy obsessed individuals” 

Erm it’s more than a handful of these individuals I would think! 

So was it ok to have the area (now known as the Dulwich Square) ripped out with no consultation nearly 5 years ago?

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, DulvilleRes said:

I continue to be intrigued by your relationship with One Dulwich.

You certainly are aren’t you, almost obsessional. I don’t know how many times I have to tell you I am not One Dulwich, I have never spoken to anyone from One Dulwich, I do not know, nor care, who is behind One Dulwich. 
 

1 hour ago, DulvilleRes said:

You have consistently posted their press releases, and I've never seen any divergence of view between you and them. Could you point me to anywhere where this has happened?

I am sorry, what? 
 

 

1 hour ago, DulvilleRes said:

I am a member of the Dulwich Society;

Clearly the pro-LTN branch of The Dulwich Society. Are you a member of the Travel and Evironment sub-committee per chance? Are you a member of the Labour Party as well? This is fascinating and the plot thickens….read on….

Now remember back in June there was a thread on the shenanigans taking place at the Dulwich Society which you started Dulville Res?

Well there were suggestions from others during the discussion on that thread that the Travel and Environment sub-committee gained a new chair some time ago and the DV councillors started attending the sub-committee but not any others. That sub-committee also gained a lot of new members and some suggested the sub-committee had been hijacked for political purposes and to push the DS to support the DV LTN.

In June I did some research from publically available and posted documents and found that the sub-committee chair was Laurie Johnston and I posted details of her roles as an active travel lobbyist. Someone appears to have then contacted admin of this forum to have her name removed as you can see below. You bleat on about transparency in One Dulwich but someone clearly doesn’t want any transparency within the Dulwich Society or at least details of the lobbying that has been done by said person. I would love to know who requested to have the name removed…..and why…..@dulvilleres do you know? Now why on earth would someone not want Laurie’s name mentioned in relation to her active travel lobbying efforts or her award from the LCC as Active Travel Campaigner….? I wonder…..

Maybe One Dulwich isn’t the only organisation you should be obsessing about the political influence within….

Post from June 7th 2024

Wow...just read the SGM of 2021 and it is very interesting particularly where it says in bold: The Travel & Environment Sub-Committee does not make decisions on behalf of the Dulwich Society.

Was there some sort of takeover of the sub-committee by active travel lobbyists?

Very interesting to see that new chair was <name removed> who is:

• Volunteer Chair of Southwark Living Streets
• A member of Dulwich and Herne Hill Safer Routes to School
  • which cites partners as:
    • Dulwich Society
    • Living Streets
    • A seemingly now defunct group called Clean Air Parents Network - I wonder if this is any relation to Clean Air Dulwich?
• who won London Cycling Campaign Campaigner Active Travel Campaigner Award:
  • LCC said: "<name removed> from Dulwich and Herne Hill Safe Routes to School was awarded active travel campaigner of the year for all the work she’s done, particularly around Our Healthy Streets Dulwich and the Streetspace measures that brought us Dulwich Square."
  • on accepting the award she said the below (I did read it and thought is Clean Air Dulwich a group - it seems to be more an anonymous online lobby group but very interested that she called them out specifically amongst actual groups.......:
    • She said: "I've learned at the feet of greats like Alastair Hanton and Jeremy Leach. We are proud to work collaboratively with amazing groups such as Mums for Lungs, Clean Air Dulwich, Southwark Cyclists, Lambeth Cyclists, London Living Streets, Better Streets groups, the new love my LTN groups that we're getting to know, and more."
• who made deputations to Southwark Council on behalf of Dulwich and Herne Hill Safe Routes in support of changes to Townley Road in 2015

 

Edited June 13, 2024 by Administrator
Name removed under request.

 

 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

8 hours ago, Cancerian said:

So was it ok to have the area (now known as the Dulwich Square) ripped out with no consultation nearly 5 years ago?

There was extensive consultation.

[first mate]

8 hours ago, Rockets said:

10 hours ago, DulvilleRes said:

I am a member of the Dulwich Society;

Clearly the pro-LTN branch of The Dulwich Society. Are you a member of the Travel and Evironment sub-committee per chance? Are you a member of the Labour Party as well? This is fascinating and the plot thickens….read on….

Now remember back in June there was a thread on the shenanigans taking place at the Dulwich Society which you started Dulville Res?

Now we know the chair of the Dulwich Society Transport sub committee was also awarded London Cycling Campaign campaigner of the year- presumably for helping ensure Dulwich Sq, the 'LTN' and CPZ impositions happened. Wondering how many other pro LTN/CPZ/Dulwich Sq posters on here are members/ involved of the Dulwich Society transport sub committee?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Can anyone explain why these ‘updates’ by who knows who, moaning about the LTN, aren’t being posted in the LTN thread? 

Edited Monday at 07:59 by Earl Aelfheah