Latest batch of minor traffic schemes

[legalalien]

Officer proposals on various double yellow lines, moving bays, cycle hangars etc in Southwark including local area

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IssueId=50031878&OptionNum=0

[CPR Dave]

6m of double yellow lines to move one car back a bit. The person who complained about this hampering their private car park seems very selfish and not good at driving. 

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s115518/Appendix 15 Crystal Palace Road.pdf

[megalaki84]

Great, looking forward to more of them

[malumbu]

Southwark, the Mayor, TfL are clearly corrupt and the data is not accurate/complete/unbiased.  This is another LTN thread I assume?

[first mate]

  On 11/07/2023 at 21:59, legalalien said:

Officer proposals on various double yellow lines, moving bays, cycle hangars etc in Southwark including local area

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IssueId=50031878&OptionNum=0

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Thanks Legal. We can expect much, much more of this. Southwark is now the provider of hangars in the borough so it will be interesting to see how the management and maintenance side of that works. 
 

Do you know if there is a transcript for the council meeting the other night as posted on YouTube? The one where answers on really key topics, like whether there is a mandate for borough wide CPZ, were unintelligible?

[mrwb]

Is it possible to get access to the money generated from the various parking and other schemes from the council somehow ?

[Penguin68]

I believe the rules require that monies 'earned' through road and parking pricing and through traffic fines can only be spent on roads (which might include e.g. planters).

But of course the council could earmark no other money on road expenditure, releasing funds for other spending heads.

Indeed it is possible that the council plans to make all its roads self financing, meaning that non car owners would then be paying for all the roads costs meaning cycling, public transport and pedestrian users would be getting that 'free ride' the council is so intent on trying to correct, as far as car owners are concerned.

If anyone cares to match road budgets with forecast road usage and fine income, we might see just how much of the road budget businesses and private owners are contributing and will contribute through this hypothecated revenue stream.

 

[David Peckham]

  On 12/07/2023 at 11:19, mrwb said:

Is it possible to get access to the money generated from the various parking and other schemes from the council somehow ?

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A very rough, back of a fag packet estimate based on the 2021 census data is around £12m pa from the permits.

Obviously, inter- CPZ parking charges and fines are on top of that.

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[CPR Dave]

  On 12/07/2023 at 11:19, mrwb said:

Is it possible to get access to the money generated from the various parking and other schemes from the council somehow ?

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They used to publish an annual parking monitoring report. They seem to have stopped that in 2019, presumably because they were embarrassed about how much net profit they were milking from residents. This is the last published data showing the surplus made from parking charges in the five years to 2018/19:

Financial Year:  2014/15        2015/16        2016/17           2017/18         2018/19

Surplus:              £5,152,000  £6,015,000   £6,796,000      £6,113,000     £7,025,000

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/11828/Annual-Report-on-Parking-and-funding-2018-19-.pdf

They said they were going to continue publishing parking data "in future Movement Plan Annual Monitoring Reports from 2019/20. This document will cover parking and funding data during the transition year" but I can't find those anywhere. 

 

In fact they haven't even been able to publish audited accounts since 2019/20. They have published three sets of unaudited annual accounts since then. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/key-documents/statement-of-accounts

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by CPR Dave

[modernMajorGeneral]

Hi Everyone,

We set up a group to oppose the CPZ when the consultation started in our area a few months ago. We'd like to expand the group to include all of Southwark. If we join our voices together, we can surely make ourselves heard.

Visit opposethecpz.org and get in touch if you can get involved.

Cheers,

Richard.

  On 12/07/2023 at 22:47, CPR Dave said:

They used to publish an annual parking monitoring report. They seem to have stopped that in 2019, presumably because they were embarrassed about how much net profit they were milking from residents. This is the last published data showing the surplus made from parking charges in the five years to 2018/19:

Financial Year:  2014/15        2015/16        2016/17           2017/18         2018/19

Surplus:              £5,152,000  £6,015,000   £6,796,000      £6,113,000     £7,025,000

https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/11828/Annual-Report-on-Parking-and-funding-2018-19-.pdf

They said they were going to continue publishing parking data "in future Movement Plan Annual Monitoring Reports from 2019/20. This document will cover parking and funding data during the transition year" but I can't find those anywhere. 

 

In fact they haven't even been able to publish audited accounts since 2019/20. They have published three sets of unaudited annual accounts since then. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/key-documents/statement-of-accounts

 

 

 

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Out group has put in a FOI request to get this information from the council. They are legally obliged to publish this, but the link from their open data page goes to page not found.

[alex_b]

  On 11/07/2023 at 22:09, CPR Dave said:

6m of double yellow lines to move one car back a bit. The person who complained about this hampering their private car park seems very selfish and not good at driving. 

https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s115518/Appendix 15 Crystal Palace Road.pdf

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I’ve run past there over the last few days. The space between the end of the current double yellow lines and the start of the dropped curb is not a full car length. At the moment there is a transit van parked there that overhangs both the driveway and the double yellows. I expect this severely limits visibility for someone trying to exit the driveway for that block of flats. I expect the 6m of double yellows is to cover the existing small space plus the driveway (which currently has white hazard lines instead).  

The proposal isn’t as ridiculous as it first seems.