Road works shambles.

[apbremer]

Minor Road works  have been drifting along seemingly for months outside West Dulwich station causing massive tail backs and severe pollution on the South Circular and Croxted Rd. There seems to be no control  or sense of urgency whatever with what appears to be a meandering exercise to fiddle around with a couple of traffic islands. What is going on.??  Why are we governed by such half wits?

 

 

 

 

[Penguin68]

It's lucky the South Circular is only a little local road with no significant traffic - oh, no, wait a minute... it's the inner periphery road, which, additionally, the Dulwich LTNs have forced all the local traffic onto, isn't it?  

[malumbu]

I've found it is really useful to go to TfL and find out what the problem is first.  After you have done this then please do share with the rest of us.  Cheers 

[apbremer]

It seems ironic that we are all being shafted by the mad net zero obsession whilst local indolent highways jobsworths can still create massive delays and  pollution when ever and where ever they choose by dreaming up yet another expensive and unnecessary road excavation.

[first mate]

Additionally, the relationship between Cabinet member for roads and TFL is perhaps not conducive to constructive dialogue.

[CPR Dave]

Is it the Labour Council or the Labour mayor you are calling a halfwit?

The South Circular is a TFL road and I think Croxted Road is governed by Southwark council.

 

[Penguin68]

  On 26/06/2023 at 15:29, CPR Dave said:

Is it the Labour Council or the Labour mayor you are calling a halfwit?

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Both. In my case. If the work needs doing it should be done quickly. A few years ago the South Circular could have been closed (possibly just for a couple of days, or even over-night) and a diversion put into place to allow the work to be completed quickly - but with Southwark closing off so many routes with LTNs, and the Mayor turning the South Circular into a tariff boundary that isn't possible. And with no authority prepared to put pressure on whoever is doing the work, and for whatever reason (because, perhaps, it's in two 'domains' that don't, or won't, talk to each other) we have the ordinary voters and tax payers paying the consequences.

[exdulwicher]

  On 26/06/2023 at 15:29, CPR Dave said:

Is it the Labour Council or the Labour mayor you are calling a halfwit?

The South Circular is a TFL road and I think Croxted Road is governed by Southwark council.

 

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The roadworks permit was granted by Lambeth (as it's in their borough), the applicant was TfL. The basic permit says "highways repair and maintenance" scheduled to last until 6th July. 

[malumbu]

Here's guidance from TfL on managing streetworks, worth a read.  https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/urban-planning-and-construction/our-land-and-infrastructure/roadworks-and-street-faults

Regulations introduced recently by government to improve the handling and quality of repairs by utility companies

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-street-works-regime-to-clamp-down-on-pothole-pain

And the road rental scheme (restrictions on those carrying out repairs) introduced by TfL following support from government

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/lane-rental-scheme-document-20210501-final.pdf

 

I thought I'd find something in the government's manifesto but the only thing in 2019 was "Get Brexit Done"

 

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

  On 26/06/2023 at 15:56, Penguin68 said:

but with Southwark closing off so many routes with LTNs, and the Mayor turning the South Circular into a tariff boundary that isn't possible.

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See, the problem with this is that you've just made it up.

[Penguin68]

  On 26/06/2023 at 20:05, Dogkennelhillbilly said:

  On 26/06/2023 at 15:56, Penguin68 said:

but with Southwark closing off so many routes with LTNs, and the Mayor turning the South Circular into a tariff boundary that isn't possible.

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See, the problem with this is that you've just made it up.

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I have just made up that the South Circular is the tariff boundary for the currently extended ULEZ - really? - and thus that diversions off the South circular through bits of Dulwich wouldn't carry tariff penalties? I have just made up that Southwark's LTNs (which I am sure exist, there's been so much written about them here) stop many diversions off and back onto the South Circular for at least part of the day - are you really suggesting that? These are two actions which make traffic re-routing flexibility at the time of need very difficult or costly (to the motorist). That is a clear downside to the traffic alterations instituted by the Mayor and Southwark independently of each other.

[Rockets]

I do wonder what will happen when the Lordship Lane contra-flow comes into effect as this will overlap the A205 works at Croxted for a few days at least. Pretty sure Crystal Palace Road will be used as a diversionary route by many during the 5 months of work.