LTN Discussion

[legalalien]

You know, heartblock, it's amazing how much I agree with you given that politically there are (I suspect) probably quite a lot of things we disagree on.

Inspired by the earlier iteration of this thread, I purchased a book called The Righteous Mind - Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0141039167

Am about a third of the way through. It's really interesting - would recommend. Quite old now, from 2013. Have put this more recent article from the same author on my "to read" list

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

[Waseley]

Experience today:

Speeding motorists on side roads. OK a speed enforcement not LTN issue.

Parents parking on double yellow lines outside Bessemer Grange and the primary school in the village. Ok another enforcement issue.

And for some balance, plenty of responsible cycling, but one lady cycling on the pavement on Townley. Not a youth or a young chap but someone who should give a damn.

What relevance is this to the LTN debate? I expect most posting on this thread do obey the rules but so many other road users don't. So you ain't going to get anywhere by asking people nicely to reduce their car journeys/emissions. So we need hard interventions.

Hope this isn't gaslighting which I still don't understand

[heartblock]

It isn't gaslighting (which refers to the act of undermining another person?s reality by denying the environment around them, or their feelings), but I do agree with you.. I actually think if some of these actions were enforced a little better, so parents parking on double yellows, pavements and in no parking zones..cycling on pavements and speed restrictions that would all be great.

I would urge everyone to push for better pollution monitoring though.. and for improved PT.

[heartblock]

Yes legal..I agree. I will look that book up.

[Rockets]

Waseley - agree with your annoyance at bad drivers - we all feel the same pain and frustration when people act selfishly.

The deafening silence on my challenge to some of the loudest pro-LTN cheerleaders to dissect the council's own numbers is not surprising - they are acting selfishly and deliberately ignoring the facts that tell a very different story to the one they like to peddle.

This note from the council speaks volumes and demonstrates LTN displacement in full effect and why Dulwich should never have been chosen for LTNs on the basis of PTALs alone....

"Traffic has been rising across Southwark since the end of the 2021 COVID-19 lockdown, and was at 92% of pre-COVID levels in November 2021 at count points in the north of the borough, and above pre-COVID levels on the TfL network near Dulwich" - Southwark Council Dashboard.

[ohthehugemanateeLTN3]

Huh my ears are burning, sounds like Rockets and heartblock want me to answer their question for a second time before even responding to the first answer. Very curious.

I'm definitely motivated by accusations and insults fired in my direction, so just a few more of those totally-not-treating-me-as-the-enemy-dont-gaslight-me-by-claiming-otherwise might just speed me up a little.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

Can we run solar panels off all this gaslight? Because we will have solved the energy crisis if so.

[Waseley]

It doesn't help your cause in challenging LTNs by calling others pro LTN cheerleaders. I see that you have been challenged in the past about making this tribal, but still do it! It would make it easier to have an adult debate

[Rockets]

Come on, one of you must be brave enough to interpret the statement from the council.....you all have strong opinions on pretty much everything else to do with LTNs...why can't you take a look at the below and give is your thoughts....what could possibly be the problem...;-)

"Traffic has been rising across Southwark since the end of the 2021 COVID-19 lockdown, and was at 92% of pre-COVID levels in November 2021 at count points in the north of the borough, and above pre-COVID levels on the TfL network near Dulwich" - Southwark Council Dashboard.

[ohthehugemanateeLTN3]

Looks like our dear Rockets is so busy spamming the same question over and over again that he doesn't have time to read or even acknowledge the replies.

It's not that we're not brave it's just that our fingers only move so fast, and most of us I suspect are disinclined to repeatedly post the same answer to the spam question because that gets boring and annoying for everyone reading.

[first mate]

Well I've looked Manatee and cannot see your response to Rocket's question, explaining those council figures, despite saying you have? We must all have missed your post.

Indulge us and post your response and explanation for those figures quoted by Rocket again.

ohthehugemanateeLTN3 Wrote:

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> Looks like our dear Rockets is so busy spamming

> the same question over and over again that he

> doesn't have time to read or even acknowledge the

> replies.

>

>

> It's not that we're not brave it's just that our

> fingers only move so fast, and most of us I

> suspect are disinclined to repeatedly post the

> same answer to the spam question because that gets

> boring and annoying for everyone reading.

[ohthehugemanateeLTN3]

I think you need to look harder, firstmate! All the spamming (and it looks like you've joined the salty pork flavoured party) has pushed it several pages back now, so you have quite a lot of searching to do! Good luck!

[ohthehugemanateeLTN4]

Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this out and inviting them to go back through the last few pages of their own spam to actually engage with my reply is an insta ban!

Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?

[first mate]

No bias, at least no more than you or any other average person, just in search of an explanation. So help us out, you seem to know how to make sense of that council statement and figures provided by Rockets. Do tell.

You say you have already posted an answer but none of us can find it? Perhaps it was deleted in error or you thought you had posted but it did not go through? Come on, if you know the answer you posted just cut and paste in reply.

Alternatively, perhaps Rx3 can help you?

Go on, just a few seconds to re-post a reply none of us can find.

ohthehugemanateeLTN4 Wrote:

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> Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same

> questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is

> fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this

> out and inviting them to go back through the last

> few pages of their own spam to actually engage

> with my reply is an insta ban!

>

> Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?

[exdulwicher]

I typed out a response to the question posed by Rockets and got a message saying that posts here have to be relevant to East Dulwich...

???

[Rockets]

ohthehugemanateeLTN4 Wrote:

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> Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same

> questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is

> fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this

> out and inviting them to go back through the last

> few pages of their own spam to actually engage

> with my reply is an insta ban!

>

> Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?

Manatee - that's your 3rd ban isn't it? Whatever you're doing wrong you're doing it repeatedly...admin obviously knows something we don't...

Ex- that is a weird response from the system maybe add East Dulwich to the text?

[exdulwicher]

Maybe I've been part-banned as well...!

Maybe there's a little AI bot reading my contributions and going "nah, that's just traffic, not East Dulwich".

[Spartacus]

exdulwicher Wrote:

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> Maybe I've been part-banned as well...!

>

> Maybe there's a little AI bot reading my

> contributions and going "nah, that's just traffic,

> not East Dulwich".

Lol

Maybe it's like councillors twitter accounts where only people they follow or people mentioned in their tweets can reply...

[Administrator]

[pre]{EDFLittleBot AI}

IF

just traffic, not East Dulwich

RESPOND

"nah"

AND RUN

part-ban on {that user}

{/end auto-response} [/pre]

[Administrator]

Ah, busted!

[Spartacus]

Admin, this is where a like button is needed 🤣

[exdulwicher]

That's actually quite funny ^^.

But if poor Rockets wants an answer on his/her oft-repeated question, whatever restriction is on to determine whether it's sufficiently "East Dulwich" enough needs removing... ;-)

[Administrator]

It's a hard topic to moderate and we don't always get it right but it does stray off topic a lot. It doesn't help with that ohthehugemanateeLTN being a pain, they keep re-registering with email addresses like:

[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]

We understand that trolling is easy fun, especially when you get a reaction to your posts, but maybe look elsewhere for fun because it makes moderating even harder.

[heartblock]

Thanks admin? an insight indeed. So not to labour this, there is a quote from Dulwich/E Dulwich Streetspace that the latest TFL data is showing traffic in the ED/ Dulwich area rising to pre-pandemic numbers, which seems to make the other piece of information that traffic has now dropped by 21,000 (not really been given across which dates or exactly where). So apart from my quantum theory, can anyone explain?

[Spartacus]

Heartblock

Does magic, or slight of hand answer your question ?