CCTV Contravention Warning Notice

[Froglander]

Does anyone know if this is operating during school holidays?   

[bcam]

On 22/05/2023 at 09:18, Alan Medic said:

We got a 'warning' for an alleged contravention in Adys Road junction East Dulwich Road. Our vehicle has just left the area where the attached picture was taken. Anyone know what the contravention might have been? The video link we were sent shows our car and may others passing here.

 

I just got exactly the same ticket. Didn't see the sign, no advanced warnign and a stupidly short closure time.

Has anyone been successful in an appeal?

[floradora]

Recently received a penalty fine for driving down Amott Road and turning right into Adys road. I am a very vigilant driver but had not noticed the sign on the left saying it was a pedestrian and cycle zone between 3pm- 3.45pm. (My ticket was issued at 3.04 not that that's particularly relevant). Like other people on this thread have said, the signs need to be much bigger, markings on the road,  flashing lights- whatever to draw attention to them - and most importantly signs on both sides of the road not just the left which is the passenger side and where a driver is less likely to focus especially when there are high vehicles such as vans parked. I would never have driven down this street willingly trying to break the rules , I simply did not notice the sign because as others have said, when you are driving down a narrow London street  that you are unfamiliar with - parked cars on either side, cyclists to navigate, delivery vans unloading etc  your attention is on the road and not on a relatively small sign on the left. I walked back down that road yesterday to actually see where the sign was  as I was shocked I had missed it and angry about the fine. I am 100 per cent for keeping roads traffic free outside schools at drop off and pick up but the signage needs to be much better.  Right now I imagine the penalty fines are pouring in which is probably just how Southwark Council likes it. Get better signage. How many people have been innocently caught out at this particular junction? Has anyone successfully disputed their penalty here because of poor signage? 

[malumbu]

There are national standards for road signage, I'd expect you'd need to raise with your MP or Transport Secretary.  Have a look through the attached https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made

[Rockets]

2 hours ago, floradora said:

Like other people on this thread have said, the signs need to be much bigger, markings on the road,  flashing lights- whatever to draw attention to them - and most importantly signs on both sides of the road not just the left which is the passenger side and where a driver is less likely to focus especially when there are high vehicles such as vans parked.

If the signs are bigger the traps set by the council don't generate enough revenue!

The positioning of the LTN sign at the entrance of Burbage was impossible to see to anyone approaching from Gallery Road - the council was alerted to this fact but, for a very long time, did nothing about it.

 

 

[malumbu]

You have posted this view on so many threads.  Perhaps they should be amalgamated under the title Southwark money grabbing local authority, and at times TfL.  That would cover bus lanes, CPZs, LTNs and the ULEZ in one.

😉 

(not my view I had ten to add, as the discussion includes Lambeth at times maybe change the title to Labour boroughs)

[ianr]

3 hours ago, malumbu said:

There are national standards for road signage, I'd expect you'd need to raise with your MP or Transport Secretary.  Have a look through the attached https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made

There is also the compendious Traffic Signs Manual which you might find useful: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-manual.

"The Traffic Signs Manual offers advice to traffic authorities and their contractors, designers and managing agents in the United Kingdom, on the use of traffic signs and road markings on the highway network. Chapter 1 provides a general introduction and the legislative background."

[Earl Aelfheah]

59 minutes ago, Rockets said:

The positioning of the LTN sign at the entrance of Burbage was impossible to see to anyone approaching from Gallery Road - the council was alerted to this fact but, for a very long time, did nothing about it.

This thread isn't about the LTN (not everything is about a change to road layout made almost 5 years ago now - might be time to move on?)... And another way to think of this is that concerns were raised and addressed (albeit not as quickly as you might like).

Clear signage is obviously important. Where you feel it's not clear, it's definitely worth raising through your councillor.

59 minutes ago, Rockets said:

If the signs are bigger the traps set by the council don't generate enough revenue!

*yawn*

Edited 14 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[malumbu]

Cheers Ian, I was looking for these.  Fascinating subject!  

Sorry forgot to add school streets to your compendium of Labour rip offs.

[CPR Dave]

They are money grubbing though. 

If they actually wanted to stop the mischief (polluting cars killing children at school pick up) they would make the signs so big and obvious no one could miss them. The warnings would be as obtrusive and obvious as those appalling pictures they print on cigarette packets these days.

If they just wanted to catch people out to grub money they would make the signs as small and discrete as they could legally get away with to catch out as many people as possible. 

 

Which option do you think they went with?

[Earl Aelfheah]

Why don’t you raise it with your councillor and see what they say? I agree that from the picture it doesn’t look like it’s obvious (and it should be), but honestly I’m not familiar with that bit of road.

Sounds like when similar concerns have been raised in the past the council have taken action to make things clearer 

Edited 6 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[malumbu]

Send a FOI request into Southwark to get their stats on such offences, I expect that they are relatively small.

In fact a journo has and Southwark was one from the bottom of the list of London Boroughs being dwarfed by even some Tory boroughs

I think that this shows it is best to do your research rather than the knee jerk they are all out to get me.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-11709425/London-motorists-stung-400-000-fines-driving-near-schools.html

2021 I(when I assume many were only recently introduced 622

A year later - word had got round 275